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ON CNN now: OKC bombing Iraq connection

Posted on 09/09/2002 3:22:43 PM PDT by newsperson999

turn it on


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1993wtc; 911; fredthompson; iraq; okcbombing; sadddamhussein
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To: doug from upland
Are we thinking too smart Doug? Is this why he let them off the hook the way he did with the FBI investigations and the pardons? Is this triple payback for dad's election loss to him,OKC lies, TWA 800, and Iraq payback?
61 posted on 09/09/2002 5:09:55 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: MainFrame65
The only thing I can't quite believe is that he was ever ashamed of what he did. Of course, we'll never know. But I think if he did experience true remorse, he'd tell somebody the truth of what happened. Instead, as you so rightly call it, he chose the coward's way out.
62 posted on 09/09/2002 5:12:52 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: roses of sharon
Tell me more. I'm ignorant on this subject.

I know it means loads of reading and following seemingly endless links within links, but check the OKC bombing bump list at #18, or click on these keywords:

1993 WTC; 911; IRAQ; OKC BOMBING; SADDDAM HUSSEIN;
( they are near the end of the article )

63 posted on 09/09/2002 5:13:00 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: All; Freemeorkillme
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/733759/posts

FBI and DOJ Connivance Permeates, Interconnects Terror Attacks

For anyone interested in a summary of the OKC bombing and the connection to 9-11, the article in the link does a good job in explaining a very important story.

The link explains the role of the former Iraqi soldier Al-Hussaini,aka John Doe 2, the Nichols' ties to Ramzi Yousef and much more.

64 posted on 09/09/2002 5:13:47 PM PDT by honway
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To: Poohbah
Where I see separation from my normal feelings on the death penalty in such cases, I actually trust the government very little on this case. Too much is known that directly contradicts the government's story. Therefore I was inclined to modify my feelings on destroying what I considered to another source of future information. Had there been no discrepency in the government's story and the facts, I'd have been for frying McVeigh ASAP.
65 posted on 09/09/2002 5:15:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: aristeides
Perhaps this is an end run to bring into question the constitutionality of the death penalty. I can hear the libs arguing now: "If TimV had only been sentenced to life in prison and not the death penalty, then we would possibly have had the chance to find out more info from him at a later date..." "Maybe he wurnt gilty and we killed him"-more resonation with the reasoning public and such... Get my drift?
66 posted on 09/09/2002 5:17:23 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: doug from upland
Next stop: TWA Flt 800. Then: Vince Foster. Then: Juanita Broaddrick

I guess we've all seen the clintons slip the noose too many time to get our hopes too high, but maybe, just maybe, that rustling sound you hear in the distance is their house of cards finally collapsing...

67 posted on 09/09/2002 5:38:40 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Oh how I hope you are right! God Bless America and may the truth reign down and bite the you know what out of all who would twist it and allow untruths to rule.
68 posted on 09/09/2002 5:47:40 PM PDT by Republic
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To: Republic
Someone mentioned not too long ago,and I don't remember who it was but they stated that if the government wants to get a story out,they don't use FNC,msnbc or any local affiliates.If they want something known to the world to digest they use CNN.Nomatter how much we abhore CNN for their onesided reporting,the rest of the world hinges on their reports.If this story had come out on FNC,about the only ones to read and hear it would have been mostly conservatives,but letting CNN have a go at it,all the world gets to hear about it.Some of you ask,why now? Well,you don't play your high cards till you know your oponent has put everything he has into the pot.Just my opinion.
69 posted on 09/09/2002 5:59:46 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: eastforker
A well taken post. I agree. But I do know that CNN worldwide is a bit different than what we see here in the states because I lived in GE for seven years-89 to 96 and lived and breathed by CNN, with the Stars and Stripes newspaper to help counter the lies CNN so willingly spews, at times.
70 posted on 09/09/2002 6:04:21 PM PDT by Republic
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To: newsperson999

An Essay on Hypocrisy
By Timothy McVeigh
Reprinted with permission from Media Bypass. Parthenocarpy is interested in any existing or future rebuttals of this essay.
Please contact us here to contribute.


Media Bypass / Alternative Media, Inc. Editor's note: Timothy McVeigh, sentenced to death for his role in the April 19, 1995 bombing in Oklahoma City, penned the following essay, dated "March 1998," from his cell in the administrative maximum section of the federal prison in Florence, Colo. In a preface, McVeigh wrote "I have chosen Media Bypass as a possible forum for this piece because, frankly, I realize that it is quite provocative -- and I rather doubt that any mainstream media would touch it. [Note that although the enclosed is very provocative, it was written to provoke thought -- and was not written with malevolent intent.]"

McVeigh appologized for the essay being handwritten, but noted his "current (unique) environment does not provide access to a typewriter, a word processor or a copier. (hell, I'm lucky they let me have a pen!), so I hope you understand why this is being submitted handwritten -- and I hope you can overcome this shortcoming."

McVeigh, whose interview with Media Bypass [February 1996] was picked up and dissected by the New York Times and major media outlets across the nation, also expressed concerns that reporting subsequent to this essay might be "printed out of context... but at least the original can be accurate."

A decorated U.S. Army veteran of the Persian Gulf War, McVeigh hereby offers his contribution to the debate over U.S. policy toward Iraq, a policy that McVeigh says is marked by a "deep hypocrisy."


The administration has said that Iraq has no right to stockpile chemical or biological weapons ("weapons of mass destruction") -- mainly because they have used them in the past.

Well, if that's the standard by which these matters are decided, then the U.Sl is the nation that set the precedent. The U.S. has stockpiled these same weapons (and more) for over 40 years. The U.S. claims that this was done for deterent purposes during the "Cold War" with the Soviet Union. Why, then is it invalid for Iraq to claim the same reason (deterence) -- with respect to Iraq's (real) war with, and the continued threat of, its neighbor Iran?

The administration claims that Iraq has used these weapons in the past. We've all seen the pictures that show a Kurdish woman and child frozen in death from the use of chemical weapons. But, have you ever seen these pictures juxtaposed next to pictures from Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

I suggest that one study the histories of World War I, World War II and other "regional conflicts" that the U.S. has been involved in to familiarize themselves with the use of "weapons of mass destruction."

Remember Dresden? How about Hanoi? Tripoli? Baghdad? What about the big ones-- Hiroshima and Nagasaki? (At these two locations, the U.S. killed at least 150,000 non-combatants -- mostly women and children -- in the blink of an eye. Thousands more took hours, days, weeks, or months to die.)

If Saddam is such a demon, and people are calling for war crimes charges and trials against him and his nation, why do we not hear the same cry for blood directed at those responsible for even greater amounts of "mass destruction" -- like those responsible and involved in dropping bombs on the cities mentioned above?

The truth is, the U.S. has set the standard when it comes to the stockpiling and use of weapons of mass destruction.

Hypocrisy when it comes to death of children? In Oklahoma City, it was family convenience that explained the presence of a day-care center placed between street level and the law enforcement agencies which occupied the upper floors of the building. Yet when discussion shifts to Iraq, any day-care center in a government building instantly becomes "a shield." Think about that.

(Actually, there is a difference here. The administration has admitted to knowledge of the presence of children in or near Iraqi government buildings, yet they still proceed with their plans to bomb -- saying that they cannot be held responsible if children die. There is no such proof, however, that knowledge of the presence of children existed in relation to the Oklahoma City bombing.)

When considering morality and mens rea [criminal intent] in light of these facts, I ask: Who are the true barbarians?

Yet another example of this nation's blatant hypocrisy is revealed by the polls which suggest that this nation is greatly in favor of bombing Iraq.

In this instance, the people of the nation approve of bombing government employees because they are "guilty by association" -- they are Iraqi government employees. In regard to the bombing in Oklahoma City, however, such logic is condemned.

What motivates these seemingly contradictory positions? Do people think that government workers in Iraq are any less human than those in Oklahoma City? Do they think that Iraqis don't have families who will grieve and mourn the loss of their loved ones? In this context, do people come to believe that the killing of foreigners is somehow different than the killing of Americans?

I recently read of an arrest in New York City where possession of a mere pipe bomb was charged as possession of a "weapon of mass destruction." If a two pound pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction," then what do people think that a 2,000-pound steel-encased bomb is?

I find it ironic, to say the least, that one of the aircraft that could be used to drop such a bomb on Iraq is dubbed "The Spirit of Oklahoma."

When a U.S. plane or cruise missile is used to bring destruction to a foreign people, this nation rewards the bombers with applause and praise. What a convenient way to absolve these killers of any responsibility for the destruction they leave in their wake.

Unfortunately, the morality of killing is not so superficial. The truth is, the use of a truck, a plane, or a missile for the delivery of a weapon of mass destruction does not alter the nature of the act itself.

These are weapons of mass destruction -- and the method of delivery matters little to those on the receiving end of such weapons.

Whether you wish to admit it or not, when you approve, morally, of the bombing of foreign tartgets by the U.S. military, you are approving of acts morally equivilent to the bombing in Oklahoma City. The only difference is that this nation is not going to see any foreign casualties appear on the cover of Newsweek magazine.

It seems ironic and hypocritical that an act viciously condemned in Oklahoma City is now a "justified" response to a problem in a foreign land. Then again, the history of United States policy over the last century, when examined fully, tends to exemplify hypocrisy.

When considering the use of weapons of mass destruction against Iraq as a means to an end, it would be wise to reflect on the words of the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. His words are as true in the context of Olmstead as they are when they stand alone:
"Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."

Sincerely


Timothy J. McVeigh

Copyright (c) 1998, Media Bypass / Alternative Media, Inc.

71 posted on 09/09/2002 6:06:11 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: Wolfstar
Well, it's nothing I would insist on, but it ties together a few aspects of this story that I found troubling. Something to consider, anyway.
72 posted on 09/09/2002 6:09:06 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: The Great Satan
Do people think that government workers in Iraq are any less human than those in Oklahoma City? Do they think that Iraqis don't have families who will grieve and mourn the loss of their loved ones?

Timothy McVeigh, An Essay on Hypocrisy

"His look on his face became very bitter at that point," Bryant said. "I believe he said, 'How would America like it if another country destroyed that city and some of the monuments in it' like the cities in his country had been destroyed?"

Mohammed Atta, according to Johnell Bryant

(Atta was Egyptian. The United States has never destroyed any government buildings in Egypt.)

73 posted on 09/09/2002 6:13:52 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: Poohbah
I've heard one guy say that ol' Timmy might have had GWS.

What is GWS?

74 posted on 09/09/2002 6:24:36 PM PDT by carenot
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To: Poohbah
My first reaction to McVeigh getting arrested in the manner he was was to say, "WTF is this, Amateur Night?"

Yes, it did seem that he tried to get caught.

75 posted on 09/09/2002 6:30:44 PM PDT by carenot
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To: All
Former CIA Director James Woolsey also expresses skepticism that Timothy McVeigh, executed for the Oklahoma City bombing, and his accomplice Terry Nichols, sentenced to life in prison and awaiting further trial on murder charges, could have planned and executed this monstrous crime all by themselves.

Woolsey believes the work of persistent investigators, reporter Jayna Davis and Middle East expert Laurie Mylroie, are onto something, as many clues in their separate probes point ominously toward Baghdad.

"[W]hen the full stories of these two incidents [Oklahoma City and the first Trade Center bombing] are finally told,” he told the Journal, "those who permitted the investigations to stop short will owe big explanations to these two brave women. And the nation will owe them a debt of gratitude.”

76 posted on 09/09/2002 6:55:01 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
When and where did woolsey say this?
77 posted on 09/09/2002 6:57:45 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: cyncooper
Have you seen this?
78 posted on 09/09/2002 7:01:50 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: redlipstick
I did see it earlier.

Thanks for the ping!
79 posted on 09/09/2002 7:06:00 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Poohbah
The indictments against Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, and Michael Fortier all mentioned "unnamed others."

Let's not play dumb. The Clinton's know who was in on it. That's why McVeigh was taken to execution as fast as possible.

80 posted on 09/09/2002 7:06:52 PM PDT by #3Fan
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