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AUTOPSY AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS ON THE DEATH OF CHIEF NEGOTIATOR
08/23/02 | Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, Houston Fire Department Fire/Arson Investigations

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:31:16 PM PDT by COB1

About three months ago, under the advice of the Texas Attorney General's office, I wrote a registered letter to Joyce M. Carter of the Medical Examiner's Office of Harris County in Houston, Texas, requesting the coroner's report on Herbert Paul Meadows, known to us as CHIEF Negotiator, who died in a fire at his house on October 4, 2001.

That report along with the Houston Fire Department's report on the investigation of that fire has finally arrived.

Without going into the technical aspects of the autopsy report, CHIEF Negotiator's death was ruled as accidental due to smoke inhalation.

NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:

From the Arson Bureau's report:

"The fire originated at floor level approximately 4 feet west of the east wall adjacent to the south wall in the formal dining area. At this point the sheetrock on the south wall shows calcination along the south wall approximately 6 feet in length in the area below the southeast window. This suggests an area of intense burning and high heat.
The wood wall base trim at the area of origin was deeply charred by the fire. A wooden dining set of 4 wooden chairs and a wooden table were almost completely consumed by the fire. Small charred pieces of the table and chairs were all that remained.
The fire was very intense in the dining room area and spread to the adjacent rooms to the east, west and north. These rooms sustained high heat and fire damage from the fire spread. The fire consumed wooden doors separating the dining room from the kitchen and family room. Burn patterns were consistent with a fire moving from the dining room area into the adjacent rooms."

These next pics I took through the window shown by the arrow:

Continuing with the Arson Bureau's report:

"Investigators observed that the north side garage entry door was kicked open and that a partial shoe print was found on the door. This investigator was unable to determine if the door was forced by firefighters or was forced prior to the fire."[italics and bold mine]

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"Captain ------ of L-36 told Investigator ------ that he found the deceased Herbert Paul Meadows lying in a fetal position, with his head against the west wall in the bathroom near the den. Firefighters dragged the victim to the driveway where he was pronounced dead by paramedics of Squad 40."

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"Engineer ------- of L-36 reported that he observed two tripped electrical breakers when he shut off the electrical power."

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Investigator ------- went to St. Lukes Emergency Room to interview --------(Mrs.) Meadows who is the wife of the deceased. --------(Mrs.) Meadows was transported by H.F.D. ambulance after the fire. -------(Mrs.) Meadows was treated for smoke inhalation and had been medicated by the hospital but she was able to relate details of the fire.
(Mrs.) Meadows told investigators that she and her husband Herbert watched a late night T.V. show and then she had went to bed while her husband Herbert had went into the den to work on the computer.
Mrs. Meadows stated that she was in bed about 10 minutes as was not asleep when she heard a 'noise or crash'. Mrs. Meadows said the sound 'was like something going through a window'. These sounds came from the other side of the house where her husband was working. This sound was followed by loud screams. (sic)'Was like something going through a window!' She described the sounds made by her husband as 'like I never heard him scream in my life!'
-----(Mrs.) Meadows reported she ran down the hall toward the dining area and was stopped by the thick black smoke in the kitchen area. ----- (Mrs. Meadows) yelled at her husband and asked him if (sic) see needed to call '911'! (Mrs. Meadows) stated that she heard a 'muffled' 'yes!' and then lost contact with Herbert Meadows. (Mrs. Meadows) told investigator that she smelled a 'bar-b-que' type odor like 'when you light a fire with charcoal lighter fluid'. (Mrs. Meadows) attempted to call for help on a phone in the house but she reported the phone was dead. (sic) Meadows went outside in the front yard and yelled for help.

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From notes of the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office:

"Arson inv. reveals no..(crossed out).. flammable fluids"
"The investigators.. (crossed out).. smelled gas at scene"
"Not sure if they are ruling arson or not"


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1 posted on 08/25/2002 5:31:16 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
I ain't no expert, but this looks like something ain't right.

Arson? Looks like it to me.

2 posted on 08/25/2002 5:34:39 PM PDT by LibKill
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To: Dog Gone
FYI
3 posted on 08/25/2002 5:34:50 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Alwayswatching; Billie; JulieRNR21; daisyscarlett; whoever; ru4liberty; MeeknMing; kitkat; ...
BIG BUMP!!
4 posted on 08/25/2002 5:36:10 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; B4Ranch
seen this?
5 posted on 08/25/2002 5:37:42 PM PDT by glock rocks
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To: glock rocks
bump!
6 posted on 08/25/2002 5:40:46 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: Taxman
FYI
7 posted on 08/25/2002 5:42:06 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: COB1
Thanks COB1
8 posted on 08/25/2002 5:42:34 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: COB1
Were there no head injuries listed in the autopsy report? I remember Mrs Chief saying that the police placed photos of her husband in front of her and she said his head looked bruised or swollen.
9 posted on 08/25/2002 5:43:15 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: COB1
I sounda like he was deliberately killed!

WHY?

10 posted on 08/25/2002 5:43:38 PM PDT by Pippin
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To: Bella_Bru
mournful bump.
11 posted on 08/25/2002 5:44:20 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: COB1
Thanks for the report and the bump. Doesn't look like anything was solved. No cause of fire.
12 posted on 08/25/2002 5:44:25 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: COB1
Pray for justice for our lost friend and his wife.
13 posted on 08/25/2002 5:44:55 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: COB1
BTTT!!! Wish we could have something conclusive, like a perp or two...
14 posted on 08/25/2002 5:44:57 PM PDT by RedWing9
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To: LibKill
I agree. Possibility of arson, though I also am no expert. What the fire report describes seems to describe a fire started by an accelerant, if not a fire bomb. Wall board calcified in just one corner of the room? Heavy wooden funiture complety consumed? Chairs in the next room only scorched? Sounds like arson to me.

The widows account of the fire sure sounds a fire bomb attack. Chief was working in the den, which has an outside sliding door, but his body was found in the lavatory. Hmmmm............

Do I recall reading about official obstruction when the widow tried to get the locals in investigate?

15 posted on 08/25/2002 5:45:05 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: COB1
Thanks.
I was thinking about him the other day and was wondering if there was an update.
16 posted on 08/25/2002 5:45:53 PM PDT by CARDINALRULES
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To: COB1
"Not sure if they are ruling arson or not"

Does this mean case not entirely closed?

17 posted on 08/25/2002 5:46:27 PM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: COB1
. . .thanks for the update on this sad event.

Do you know if there was a bathroom window?

Guess we do not always know what we will do when the tragic and unexpected occurs. . .perhaps a good example here to remind us to think about what we might do in case of fire. . .whatever the origins.

18 posted on 08/25/2002 5:46:29 PM PDT by cricket
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To: COB1
Sad bump.
19 posted on 08/25/2002 5:48:42 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: COB1
Herb Meadows brought me to Free Republic. He is primary the reason that I am here posting today....

I met Herb posting conservative comments on CNN .... we fought off the liberal wolves together many times and each of us was banned a couple of times. Actually I was booted off a couple of tinmes too but I am more careful with my posts now and do not look for fights.

I am deeply saddened by Herb's passing.

20 posted on 08/25/2002 5:49:41 PM PDT by ex-Texan
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