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AUTOPSY AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS ON THE DEATH OF CHIEF NEGOTIATOR
08/23/02 | Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, Houston Fire Department Fire/Arson Investigations

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:31:16 PM PDT by COB1

About three months ago, under the advice of the Texas Attorney General's office, I wrote a registered letter to Joyce M. Carter of the Medical Examiner's Office of Harris County in Houston, Texas, requesting the coroner's report on Herbert Paul Meadows, known to us as CHIEF Negotiator, who died in a fire at his house on October 4, 2001.

That report along with the Houston Fire Department's report on the investigation of that fire has finally arrived.

Without going into the technical aspects of the autopsy report, CHIEF Negotiator's death was ruled as accidental due to smoke inhalation.

NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:

From the Arson Bureau's report:

"The fire originated at floor level approximately 4 feet west of the east wall adjacent to the south wall in the formal dining area. At this point the sheetrock on the south wall shows calcination along the south wall approximately 6 feet in length in the area below the southeast window. This suggests an area of intense burning and high heat.
The wood wall base trim at the area of origin was deeply charred by the fire. A wooden dining set of 4 wooden chairs and a wooden table were almost completely consumed by the fire. Small charred pieces of the table and chairs were all that remained.
The fire was very intense in the dining room area and spread to the adjacent rooms to the east, west and north. These rooms sustained high heat and fire damage from the fire spread. The fire consumed wooden doors separating the dining room from the kitchen and family room. Burn patterns were consistent with a fire moving from the dining room area into the adjacent rooms."

These next pics I took through the window shown by the arrow:

Continuing with the Arson Bureau's report:

"Investigators observed that the north side garage entry door was kicked open and that a partial shoe print was found on the door. This investigator was unable to determine if the door was forced by firefighters or was forced prior to the fire."[italics and bold mine]

------------------------- From the Arson Bureau's report:

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"Captain ------ of L-36 told Investigator ------ that he found the deceased Herbert Paul Meadows lying in a fetal position, with his head against the west wall in the bathroom near the den. Firefighters dragged the victim to the driveway where he was pronounced dead by paramedics of Squad 40."

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"Engineer ------- of L-36 reported that he observed two tripped electrical breakers when he shut off the electrical power."

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Investigator ------- went to St. Lukes Emergency Room to interview --------(Mrs.) Meadows who is the wife of the deceased. --------(Mrs.) Meadows was transported by H.F.D. ambulance after the fire. -------(Mrs.) Meadows was treated for smoke inhalation and had been medicated by the hospital but she was able to relate details of the fire.
(Mrs.) Meadows told investigators that she and her husband Herbert watched a late night T.V. show and then she had went to bed while her husband Herbert had went into the den to work on the computer.
Mrs. Meadows stated that she was in bed about 10 minutes as was not asleep when she heard a 'noise or crash'. Mrs. Meadows said the sound 'was like something going through a window'. These sounds came from the other side of the house where her husband was working. This sound was followed by loud screams. (sic)'Was like something going through a window!' She described the sounds made by her husband as 'like I never heard him scream in my life!'
-----(Mrs.) Meadows reported she ran down the hall toward the dining area and was stopped by the thick black smoke in the kitchen area. ----- (Mrs. Meadows) yelled at her husband and asked him if (sic) see needed to call '911'! (Mrs. Meadows) stated that she heard a 'muffled' 'yes!' and then lost contact with Herbert Meadows. (Mrs. Meadows) told investigator that she smelled a 'bar-b-que' type odor like 'when you light a fire with charcoal lighter fluid'. (Mrs. Meadows) attempted to call for help on a phone in the house but she reported the phone was dead. (sic) Meadows went outside in the front yard and yelled for help.

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From notes of the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office:

"Arson inv. reveals no..(crossed out).. flammable fluids"
"The investigators.. (crossed out).. smelled gas at scene"
"Not sure if they are ruling arson or not"


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To: DainBramage
Not only that, but if they are carrying equipment they might kick at the door even if it is ajar. The footprint means nothing, particularly because there was no broken doorframe, etc.
201 posted on 08/25/2002 8:46:41 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: Illbay
FWIW, maybe it was arson and maybe it wasn't but I'm interested in the intense obsession with this tragedy, and what you think it all means.

The "intense obsession" as you call it might have something to do with the respect and friendship that many of us had developed with the chief. Is there something inherently wrong with wanting to develop a little bit of certainty about this event? A little closure in the loss of a friend? Or maybe just a few pieces of a puzzle that actually fit together?

202 posted on 08/25/2002 8:47:27 PM PDT by meyer
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To: DainBramage
BTW....there was also NO smoke damage or evidence on the inside edges of the doors.
203 posted on 08/25/2002 8:47:50 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: HighWheeler
The tank blew out part of one side only, and once the increasing pressure breeched the tank, the fire just farted out the side.
Now this.
I am too wound up.

I can imagine!

204 posted on 08/25/2002 8:47:51 PM PDT by carenot
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To: IronJack; COB1; ClancyJ; All
My heartfelt sympathy to you all who knew the Chief. I, however, did not, but just read through the 140+ posts in this thread.

IronJack...you mentioned something..."while he was refilling his pipe lighter, whatever." I am guessing here that the Chief enjoyed smoking a pipe. You then mentioned, "he screamed so violently immediately after the noise, isn't it fair to assume that he had been either injured, ignited, or horribly frightened by the noise?" Your comments say, what many others have pointed out...that it seems almost like something *hit* him and/or scared him enough to scream out in a way his wife was almost unfamiliar with.

Then, ClancyJ wrote, "The screams are the most puzzling to me as if the fire actually hit and burned him - but there is no evidence of that."

What I am wondering, is...if the Chief was just logging on to the computer, and settling down to surf a bit...maybe get his pipe ready...and then went to light up...

The reports seem to indicate the strong smell of gas.

I used to work on a pediatric burn unit, and maybe it's just a part of my thought process to suspect a gas leak. Maybe the CHIEF didn't smell it. Did they have a gas stove in the kitchen? Did this couple have a tea kettle or anything on the stove that evening while they watched some tv? Could the pilot light have gone out? Did the Chief turn on a burner, not realizing there was no flame...then go to log on after the computer booted...get up again to light up a pipe?

Lord knows, that a flash after a lighter or match meeting up with a source of gas could be explosive...shatter windows...cinge hair, etc. An explosion like that maybe explains some of the unanswereds here?

I don't know...but just my thoughts. And if there was no identifiable gas source...at least this theory can be ruled out.

Again, to all of you personally affected...I am so sorry.

And semper fi to the CHIEF.
205 posted on 08/25/2002 8:48:26 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
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To: DeSoto
That is not true. They called it arson right away (the investigators). It is the ME who failed to get the point. :)
206 posted on 08/25/2002 8:49:07 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: F.J. Mitchell
dont' they also burn from the inside out?
207 posted on 08/25/2002 8:49:51 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
I love your name! :)
208 posted on 08/25/2002 8:52:12 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: F.J. Mitchell
"I must respectfully disagree, COB1, there is evidence of bureaucratic incompentence all over the place."

I would NEVER disagree with you on that, my friend!

209 posted on 08/25/2002 8:52:18 PM PDT by COB1
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To: Illbay
"I'm interested in the intense obsession with this tragedy, and what you think it all means."

Well first off, we liked the CHIEF. Secondly, FReepers are intensely logical and have a strong aversion to BU11$h1t.

That's why we don't like liberals and we don't like this report.

210 posted on 08/25/2002 8:52:29 PM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: MistyCA
So please correct me, I thought that if the HFD determined that it was Arson, then they would assign it to the HPD. It isn't that way?
211 posted on 08/25/2002 8:52:29 PM PDT by DeSoto
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To: Dog Gone
Do you know if there was a TV in the dining room?

Mrs.C said the TV was in the den. AlwaysWatching said there were no electrical outlets on the walls in the dining room.

212 posted on 08/25/2002 8:52:32 PM PDT by carenot
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To: COB1
We have a mayor who would have a hard time being a competent dog catcher.

No need to insult dog catchers.

Lee Brown & Co. have stolen the car, they have had it up on jacks for some time. Since it's his last term in office they aren't worried about a case like this. They are way too busy stripping off the last parts of the car before Brown gets a job elsewhere. Where he and his group of locusts can swarm into the pockets of another group of taxpayers that are as dumb as the ones in Houston that voted the moron into office.

BTW, I seem to recall this thread and others like it being posted a few months back. Maybe you will have better luck with this one. Hope so.

213 posted on 08/25/2002 8:52:40 PM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: amom; COB1; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; MeeknMing
Thanks for the heads ups!
214 posted on 08/25/2002 8:54:05 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: DeSoto
So please correct me, I thought that if the HFD determined that it was Arson, then they would assign it to the HPD. It isn't that way?

NO, it stays with Arson. Most of the time HPD doesn't even have a file on it.

215 posted on 08/25/2002 8:54:39 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: MistyCA; Humidston
Let's get clear on this because it's important:

There are several Medical Examiners.
There is one Chief Medical Examiner.
A male Medical Examiner did the autopsy; the Chief Medical Examiner, a woman, signed off on it's validity.

216 posted on 08/25/2002 8:56:03 PM PDT by COB1
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To: MistyCA
*I love Arizona!* GetmeouttaPalmBeachCounty!!!! Whaaaaaaah!
:)
217 posted on 08/25/2002 8:56:30 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
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To: COB1
Thanks COB. You read my mind.
218 posted on 08/25/2002 8:57:48 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: lewislynn
btt
219 posted on 08/25/2002 8:59:02 PM PDT by GailA
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To: COB1
Would this chief med examiner be responsible for this investigation and would she be liable for any, ummm, "hanky Panky"?
220 posted on 08/25/2002 8:59:24 PM PDT by meyer
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