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AUTOPSY AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS ON THE DEATH OF CHIEF NEGOTIATOR
08/23/02 | Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, Houston Fire Department Fire/Arson Investigations

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:31:16 PM PDT by COB1

About three months ago, under the advice of the Texas Attorney General's office, I wrote a registered letter to Joyce M. Carter of the Medical Examiner's Office of Harris County in Houston, Texas, requesting the coroner's report on Herbert Paul Meadows, known to us as CHIEF Negotiator, who died in a fire at his house on October 4, 2001.

That report along with the Houston Fire Department's report on the investigation of that fire has finally arrived.

Without going into the technical aspects of the autopsy report, CHIEF Negotiator's death was ruled as accidental due to smoke inhalation.

NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:

From the Arson Bureau's report:

"The fire originated at floor level approximately 4 feet west of the east wall adjacent to the south wall in the formal dining area. At this point the sheetrock on the south wall shows calcination along the south wall approximately 6 feet in length in the area below the southeast window. This suggests an area of intense burning and high heat.
The wood wall base trim at the area of origin was deeply charred by the fire. A wooden dining set of 4 wooden chairs and a wooden table were almost completely consumed by the fire. Small charred pieces of the table and chairs were all that remained.
The fire was very intense in the dining room area and spread to the adjacent rooms to the east, west and north. These rooms sustained high heat and fire damage from the fire spread. The fire consumed wooden doors separating the dining room from the kitchen and family room. Burn patterns were consistent with a fire moving from the dining room area into the adjacent rooms."

These next pics I took through the window shown by the arrow:

Continuing with the Arson Bureau's report:

"Investigators observed that the north side garage entry door was kicked open and that a partial shoe print was found on the door. This investigator was unable to determine if the door was forced by firefighters or was forced prior to the fire."[italics and bold mine]

------------------------- From the Arson Bureau's report:

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"Captain ------ of L-36 told Investigator ------ that he found the deceased Herbert Paul Meadows lying in a fetal position, with his head against the west wall in the bathroom near the den. Firefighters dragged the victim to the driveway where he was pronounced dead by paramedics of Squad 40."

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"Engineer ------- of L-36 reported that he observed two tripped electrical breakers when he shut off the electrical power."

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Investigator ------- went to St. Lukes Emergency Room to interview --------(Mrs.) Meadows who is the wife of the deceased. --------(Mrs.) Meadows was transported by H.F.D. ambulance after the fire. -------(Mrs.) Meadows was treated for smoke inhalation and had been medicated by the hospital but she was able to relate details of the fire.
(Mrs.) Meadows told investigators that she and her husband Herbert watched a late night T.V. show and then she had went to bed while her husband Herbert had went into the den to work on the computer.
Mrs. Meadows stated that she was in bed about 10 minutes as was not asleep when she heard a 'noise or crash'. Mrs. Meadows said the sound 'was like something going through a window'. These sounds came from the other side of the house where her husband was working. This sound was followed by loud screams. (sic)'Was like something going through a window!' She described the sounds made by her husband as 'like I never heard him scream in my life!'
-----(Mrs.) Meadows reported she ran down the hall toward the dining area and was stopped by the thick black smoke in the kitchen area. ----- (Mrs. Meadows) yelled at her husband and asked him if (sic) see needed to call '911'! (Mrs. Meadows) stated that she heard a 'muffled' 'yes!' and then lost contact with Herbert Meadows. (Mrs. Meadows) told investigator that she smelled a 'bar-b-que' type odor like 'when you light a fire with charcoal lighter fluid'. (Mrs. Meadows) attempted to call for help on a phone in the house but she reported the phone was dead. (sic) Meadows went outside in the front yard and yelled for help.

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From notes of the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office:

"Arson inv. reveals no..(crossed out).. flammable fluids"
"The investigators.. (crossed out).. smelled gas at scene"
"Not sure if they are ruling arson or not"


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To: COB1
The ME is a she?

Not by chance, the one who just turned in her resignation? The one who is so controversial??

Who appoints an ME in Houston? If Lee Pee Brown did, that explains a lot of things!

181 posted on 08/25/2002 8:29:46 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: IronJack
How does a man burst into flames spontaneously?


182 posted on 08/25/2002 8:30:36 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: DeSoto
The Houston PD was not involved in this investigation.

I find comfort in that news. What PD is supposed to be on the job?

In Houston the HFD handles arson cases. However HPD does in fact have a case file on this matter, but will not work it unless asked to by Arson.

183 posted on 08/25/2002 8:30:55 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon
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To: Humidston
Like others, I am mad all over again. And I assume they will argue they've done the best they could do. With people like this in charge, all in Houston are in real peril if they have any enemies!

I agree Humid.

184 posted on 08/25/2002 8:32:44 PM PDT by carenot
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To: COB1
I must respectfully disagree, COB1, there is evidence of bureaucratic incompentence all over the place.
185 posted on 08/25/2002 8:33:43 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Illbay
Valid concerns, in my opinion, Illbay!
First of all, I don't think this was a cover-up - period.
What I think happened here was that a crazy asshole got really pissed and broke through the back door, hit Herb with a firebomb and fled the scene without leaving enough evidence for the investigators to find.
I don't know how this could be done, but I'm not in the business of knowing, and the arson investigators are not privy to all the knowledge the military has of doing this.
There's just too darn many things that don't add up, and I've been watching this for ten months!
The arson investigators are covered up with cases.
They don't have the time or the money to invest in any one case.
At the same time, all of this smacks of piss poor detective work!
186 posted on 08/25/2002 8:33:55 PM PDT by COB1
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To: DeSoto
The Houston Fire Department Arson Investigators. I am not sure how comforting that should be in view of the fact that the liberal Government of Houston saw fit to cut the size of that team down to the bone. I have never seen such a pathetic excust for an investigative effort....not because they didn't try, but because they were not given sufficient resources, imo.
187 posted on 08/25/2002 8:34:12 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: COB1
It was kicked open!

I'm not trying to undermine anything here at all,hope you ndon't get that feeling from what I've said. But you have to understand, you turn loose a bunch of firemen on a burning house and the odd thing would be to not have a door kicked in somewhere. Thats why they try to teach rookies "try before you pry", and "check before you wreck", They kick in unlocked doors just because of all the adrenaline flowing and the rush to get in.

Its also not uncommon to have alot of unknowns in an arson report. Alot of the evidence gets burned up.

I hope things get better attention though and the picture gets clearer.

188 posted on 08/25/2002 8:34:22 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: COB1
As I told you before, there are lots of things that happen in investigations that you will never see. That's pretty standard. So who signed the report you have?
189 posted on 08/25/2002 8:35:49 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
"Gee COB, no ping? ;-)"

HC, I'm hanging my head in shame!
Since I posted this thread I've been scrambling trying to keep up with freep mail and these posts.
I'm glad you found it, but I would have pinged you sooner or later. Sorry!

190 posted on 08/25/2002 8:36:17 PM PDT by COB1
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To: DeSoto
Dang! LOL!!
191 posted on 08/25/2002 8:36:48 PM PDT by carenot
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Thanks for the clarification. Let's see the HFD and the ME has been messing around for over 10 months and they still can't decide if it is arson? How come I don't find comfort in THAT news?

From what I have been reading about Houston, they need a major house cleaning at City Hall.

192 posted on 08/25/2002 8:37:18 PM PDT by DeSoto
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To: Dog Gone
Could be, but the time elements never have made sense. Lots of discrepancies there.
193 posted on 08/25/2002 8:37:53 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: carenot
"Houston, we got a problem................"
194 posted on 08/25/2002 8:38:31 PM PDT by DeSoto
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To: Illbay
The last I heard on that subject, a victim of spontaneous combustion, usually burns to ashes with little or no damage to surrounding combustible material.
195 posted on 08/25/2002 8:39:24 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Humidston
"Not by chance, the one who just turned in her resignation? The one who is so controversial?? Who appoints an ME in Houston? If Lee Pee Brown did, that explains a lot of things!"

Yes!
Yes!
And he does it, either directly or indirectly.
And, yes, that does explain things, doesn't it?

196 posted on 08/25/2002 8:39:48 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
The ME report is pathetic, Cob. The ME told me himself that the fire started on the kitchen stove! The ME would be the last person I would believe in this investigation. The very last. :)
197 posted on 08/25/2002 8:40:57 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: Humidston
The person who did the report and the autopsy is not the same person Cob is referring to. That was a "he"
198 posted on 08/25/2002 8:42:33 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: DainBramage
Oh, no, DB!
I didn't mean to sound like I was getting hostile about it.
I understand how firemen work.
My son is a fireman.
What puzzled me was that it was never determined how that door got a footprint on it!
It would appear that it would be of paramount interest!
199 posted on 08/25/2002 8:42:53 PM PDT by COB1
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To: MistyCA
Thanks for your reply too.

I am not impressed with Houston's municipal forces. Lack of funds, or lack of effort, either way, it stinks. I hope that the person(s) behind the Chief's murder finally get what coming to them. If not in this life, surely in the next. May God NOT have mercy on THOSE souls.

200 posted on 08/25/2002 8:43:15 PM PDT by DeSoto
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