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AUTOPSY AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS ON THE DEATH OF CHIEF NEGOTIATOR
08/23/02 | Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, Houston Fire Department Fire/Arson Investigations

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:31:16 PM PDT by COB1

About three months ago, under the advice of the Texas Attorney General's office, I wrote a registered letter to Joyce M. Carter of the Medical Examiner's Office of Harris County in Houston, Texas, requesting the coroner's report on Herbert Paul Meadows, known to us as CHIEF Negotiator, who died in a fire at his house on October 4, 2001.

That report along with the Houston Fire Department's report on the investigation of that fire has finally arrived.

Without going into the technical aspects of the autopsy report, CHIEF Negotiator's death was ruled as accidental due to smoke inhalation.

NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:

From the Arson Bureau's report:

"The fire originated at floor level approximately 4 feet west of the east wall adjacent to the south wall in the formal dining area. At this point the sheetrock on the south wall shows calcination along the south wall approximately 6 feet in length in the area below the southeast window. This suggests an area of intense burning and high heat.
The wood wall base trim at the area of origin was deeply charred by the fire. A wooden dining set of 4 wooden chairs and a wooden table were almost completely consumed by the fire. Small charred pieces of the table and chairs were all that remained.
The fire was very intense in the dining room area and spread to the adjacent rooms to the east, west and north. These rooms sustained high heat and fire damage from the fire spread. The fire consumed wooden doors separating the dining room from the kitchen and family room. Burn patterns were consistent with a fire moving from the dining room area into the adjacent rooms."

These next pics I took through the window shown by the arrow:

Continuing with the Arson Bureau's report:

"Investigators observed that the north side garage entry door was kicked open and that a partial shoe print was found on the door. This investigator was unable to determine if the door was forced by firefighters or was forced prior to the fire."[italics and bold mine]

------------------------- From the Arson Bureau's report:

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"Captain ------ of L-36 told Investigator ------ that he found the deceased Herbert Paul Meadows lying in a fetal position, with his head against the west wall in the bathroom near the den. Firefighters dragged the victim to the driveway where he was pronounced dead by paramedics of Squad 40."

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"Engineer ------- of L-36 reported that he observed two tripped electrical breakers when he shut off the electrical power."

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Investigator ------- went to St. Lukes Emergency Room to interview --------(Mrs.) Meadows who is the wife of the deceased. --------(Mrs.) Meadows was transported by H.F.D. ambulance after the fire. -------(Mrs.) Meadows was treated for smoke inhalation and had been medicated by the hospital but she was able to relate details of the fire.
(Mrs.) Meadows told investigators that she and her husband Herbert watched a late night T.V. show and then she had went to bed while her husband Herbert had went into the den to work on the computer.
Mrs. Meadows stated that she was in bed about 10 minutes as was not asleep when she heard a 'noise or crash'. Mrs. Meadows said the sound 'was like something going through a window'. These sounds came from the other side of the house where her husband was working. This sound was followed by loud screams. (sic)'Was like something going through a window!' She described the sounds made by her husband as 'like I never heard him scream in my life!'
-----(Mrs.) Meadows reported she ran down the hall toward the dining area and was stopped by the thick black smoke in the kitchen area. ----- (Mrs. Meadows) yelled at her husband and asked him if (sic) see needed to call '911'! (Mrs. Meadows) stated that she heard a 'muffled' 'yes!' and then lost contact with Herbert Meadows. (Mrs. Meadows) told investigator that she smelled a 'bar-b-que' type odor like 'when you light a fire with charcoal lighter fluid'. (Mrs. Meadows) attempted to call for help on a phone in the house but she reported the phone was dead. (sic) Meadows went outside in the front yard and yelled for help.

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From notes of the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office:

"Arson inv. reveals no..(crossed out).. flammable fluids"
"The investigators.. (crossed out).. smelled gas at scene"
"Not sure if they are ruling arson or not"


TOPICS: Breaking News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: autopsyreport; chiefnegotiator; freepermurder; investigation; rip; taxreform; usmc
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To: COB1
RE: Chief's last thread. I remember reading that thread and being so proud of those men who were wanting to do more than they already were for our dear country. Seems the burden is carried on a few strong shoulders.

Chief made me feel so at home here at FR when I finally got the nerve to sign up and log in. There are few that can fill his shoes.

Again thanks COB1

121 posted on 08/25/2002 7:34:13 PM PDT by amom
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To: COB1
This makes me so sad, he was the dearest man.
122 posted on 08/25/2002 7:34:17 PM PDT by Darlin'
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To: HighWheeler; COB1; Libertina
This report is incomplete. As it stands, it is Bu11$h1t.

My sentiments exactly.

Excellent post, HW!

Bump.

123 posted on 08/25/2002 7:34:23 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: MistyCA
Well, I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment.
I think the door IS significant, and I think the fact that the door had never been mentioned before this report is significant.
124 posted on 08/25/2002 7:35:04 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
Dumb idiotic police. I guess they consider this case closed since they've released their information? Like others, I am mad all over again. And I assume they will argue they've done the best they could do.

With people like this in charge, all in Houston are in real peril if they have any enemies!

Thanks, COB.

125 posted on 08/25/2002 7:35:42 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: Barnacle
The information you are getting here is far from complete and virtually useless other than to stir the pot again. They used dogs to id petroleum distillates and tests to confirm their presence. The investigators from the insurance company have been involved from the beginning. You have to be very careful here because there is a lot of stuff that has not been addressed here and never will be.
126 posted on 08/25/2002 7:36:56 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Sad Bump...
127 posted on 08/25/2002 7:38:26 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: philman_36
The notion that he lit himnself on fire with lighter fluid is laughable.

It was meant to be.

128 posted on 08/25/2002 7:40:09 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: COB1
"Unsolved Mysteries" use to look into cases like this. Is there any television program that might be interested in presenting the case to the public? The people in charge might do a real investigation if the spotlight was on their investigation.
129 posted on 08/25/2002 7:40:41 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: MistyCA
"OH PLEASE DON'T get me into this mess again!"

Seems like I said those same words today when I started writing this thread!!

130 posted on 08/25/2002 7:42:30 PM PDT by COB1
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To: Humidston
"Thanks, COB."

Good to see ya, G.

Still got that hide-away??

131 posted on 08/25/2002 7:44:33 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
Houston is dripping with incompetence and lack of proper funding. The fire investigators have been cut back to the bone and then some. The investigators could not get access to the coroner and the coroner came up with erroneous information that is pathetic at best. The term "Houston we have a problem" just keeps coming to mind. :)
132 posted on 08/25/2002 7:46:22 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: COB1
Thanks for posting this. I've been kind of wondering what was going on with this, but really didn't want to post anything about it. I'll read all the comments before I post any opinion.
133 posted on 08/25/2002 7:46:25 PM PDT by meyer
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To: COB1
WHY does that sound so ridiculous to you?

I've already addressed that on this thread, but I'll do so again. If I was planning a murder by firebomb, I'd wait until the victim was asleep, especially since it's already late at night.

But, if I were incredibly impatient, the last thing I'd do is kick the door down (major noise), rush the interior door (don't know if it's locked), run past my intended victim, and chuck the petrol bomb in a different room altogether.

Why does that seem likely to you?

134 posted on 08/25/2002 7:48:32 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: MistyCA
Misty, clue me in, please.
We have the autopsy report and the arson investigators report.
This IS the legal end of this.
All of this is public information.
What is it that we're not getting that we have to be careful about?
135 posted on 08/25/2002 7:48:40 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
This looks like a report of an investigation that somebody didn't want to do. (the dog ate my homework)
136 posted on 08/25/2002 7:49:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: COB1
Didn't the investigators tell Mrs.C and family that it was arson, and that accelerants were used?

And I thought they said the fire started on the wall between the dining room and den. The drawing seems to show it started on outside wall.

I remember that AlwaysWatching said the only electricty in the dining room was in the middle of the ceiling for the light. No other outlets.
137 posted on 08/25/2002 7:52:51 PM PDT by carenot
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To: COB1
Thanks COB1.
138 posted on 08/25/2002 7:53:43 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: editor-surveyor
The Houston PD doesn't have time for this investigation they are too busy with THIS.
139 posted on 08/25/2002 7:54:57 PM PDT by DeSoto
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To: Dog Gone
"Why does that seem likely to you?"

Because I know the mentality of the person whom I think did it.

In the first place when the autopsy report says he died of accidental smoke inhalation, it disregards the severe burns he sustained all over his body.
We don't know where Herb was when the fire bomb was thrown.
Look at that thread and you will see that Herb made his last post long before we all called it a night.

140 posted on 08/25/2002 7:55:55 PM PDT by COB1
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