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Jesus Is Pro-Choice Says Priest
Parish Bulletin from Our Lady of Good Counsel, Plymouth Michigan ^ | August 4, 2002 | Fr. Doc Ortman

Posted on 08/24/2002 1:26:21 PM PDT by happytobealive

ASSOCIATE PASTOR TELLS WHY ABORTION CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR IS A PARISIONER IN GOOD STANDING:

Many people have come to me in the two weeks just past to ask about television ads which point out that Ms. Granholm, our sister, is pro choice. The concern has come from a mistaken notion that being pro choice is equal to being pro abortion. However, choice is part of the very foundation of our Catholic Christian Community. There are some who would gloss over theological reflection for the sake of emotion; these people often end up persecuting other brothers and sisters through their ignorance. As disciples of the Lord Jesus we are required to pray for their good, and for their enlightenment.

The Lord God has created all people in absolute freedom. Every action we take, each word we utter, is a matter of choice. As Catholic Christians we understand that this Awesome freedom carries with it a grave responsibility. In the light of the teaching of Jesus we make choices according to a well formed conscience – a conscience which is founded in the gospel which proclaims the blessedness of all people in any circumstances.

Scripture tells us that when God was finished creating, everything was very good. The correct response to that good is a life which reverences and cares for all that God has made. This is our faith, and I know well that this is also Ms. Granholm's faith as a Roman Catholic Christian person.

To say that one is pro choice is, for the Christian community, an admission that we are created in freedom. This is a freedom that no state or government can grant or take away; it is a gift from the Creator. By the same understanding it is a grave error to assume that the ability to freely choose actions and words is sinful.

For the past several weeks we have been persecuted by people who are living with a misguided notion of the freedom in which we are created. These people, signs in hand, are not interested in the reverence of God's gift of life; they are concerned only with the threat of abortion. This is one small part of the reverence we are called to have for all that the Lord has Created. These people would have the state legislate the freedom that only God can give or take. The reverence of all life is a choice that we make according to our discipleship. It is a response to the love of God, in Jesus, which leads us to reverence the unborn, the challenged, the elderly , the sick, the brilliant, the talented, the humble, the simple, the peacemakers . . . you get the idea.

Those who regard Ms. Granholm as a "heretic" do not understand, nor do they wish to understand, that choice in itself is a blessed gift. As with many other things this blessing can be used for evil rather than for blessing.

Make no mistake, Christians are pro choice in the purest understanding of the term. We are free to choose between the Lord and the evil one. We are fee to choose the Lord's abundant and awesome love, and we are free to choose to deny it. The ability to choose is neither good nor evil. The choice made may be either. Many persecute because they choose not to hear or understand the depth of God's gift of freedom. The freedom to choose is a gift in which to revel. It is not a heavy burden. The Lord has given us direction, and has asked that we CHOOSE according to what he says and does.

To borrow from the gospel . . .

"Let those with ears to hear heed what they hear!"

Grace and peace,

Doc

Source: http://www3.catholicweb.com/bulletins/59371/Aug-04-2002.pdf


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1 posted on 08/24/2002 1:26:21 PM PDT by happytobealive
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To: happytobealive
First fags, and pedophiles, now baby killing supporters. I am so proud of the catholics.
Organized religion, ain't it great?
2 posted on 08/24/2002 1:34:24 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: happytobealive
He is quite correct. If one is forced to obey, then there is no virtue in obeying. All of life is choices.
3 posted on 08/24/2002 1:35:41 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Joe Boucher
God might sort of pro-choice too. He got p!ssed off and pretty much flushed the whole human race. If he was mad THEN, I wonder what he's going to do NOW?
4 posted on 08/24/2002 1:36:52 PM PDT by Enterprise
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Is that right?
5 posted on 08/24/2002 1:37:06 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: happytobealive
Wonderful example of word gamesmanship. Of course, freedom of choice is simply another terminology for the free will, which is an important principle in all Western Theology.

But the Priest is being disingenuous in the extreme. For the Abortionists are not contending that the Choice they advocate is between good and evil. They have gone to great lengths to remove not only legal sanctions against the choice to kill your baby. They have gone to equal lengths to make that choice seem perfectly acceptable morally.

It is also a choice whether to steal from the collection plate or not. Everything this Priest says about Abortion, would equally apply there--as it would to Murder, Rape, Robbery, etc..

As a non-Catholic, I have no right to protest dissembling in the Church. This comment is intended to go only to the logic of the Priest's contentions--not to his right voice them.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

6 posted on 08/24/2002 1:39:57 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: happytobealive
The Lord God has created all people in absolute freedom. Every action we take, each word we utter, is a matter of choice.

Oh, I see. So as a Catholic in good standing I can favor one having the "choice" to torture small animals, never go to mass, and rob banks? The intellectual contortions of the pro-abortionists never cease to amaze me.

I, like every living Christian, am a sinner. I don't tithe enough. I curse. I have lustful thoughts. But I don't rationalize that my sins are anything but sins.

Henry Hyde had it right when he was on the House floor debating the partial birth abortion ban. He said the abortion lobby's stock and trade is the euphemism. And, to quote directly, "The queen mother of all euphemisms is choice! As if you're making the decision between chocolate and vanilla instead of between a live baby and a dead baby!"

8 posted on 08/24/2002 1:42:22 PM PDT by winin2000
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To: happytobealive
I do not think the issue is so much "freedom of choice" as it is freedom from the circumstances of that choice.

Many want poor or "evil" choices to be free of judgement or onerous consequences.

9 posted on 08/24/2002 1:42:48 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: Khepera
Priest is wrong, says Dakmar.
10 posted on 08/24/2002 1:44:44 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: Khepera
In the little picture--pieces(cartoons/ideologies/religion)...

everybody thinks(knows) they are right and anyone else/thing(different) is wrong---

then comes the big/final picture!

Truth/science is laws/design...IMMUTABLE!

11 posted on 08/24/2002 1:45:15 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Joe Boucher
Not sounding so organized to me, since I believe the Catholic church is against all the items you mention.
12 posted on 08/24/2002 1:45:50 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: happytobealive
Jesus also said that if you love me you will keep my commandments. eg though shalt not kill (murder). God calls those who say they love him to show it in obedience.

God Bless,

Mel

13 posted on 08/24/2002 1:45:59 PM PDT by melsec
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To: happytobealive
Further evidence of idiots in the priesthood who don't know the character of Christ from free will.

Christ would NEVER abort a baby, period dot. He would never give that example to us. Free will, OTOH, is Christ sitting back and watching you make such a decision then being there to see you through your mistakes or sitting in judgement on you for denying it was wrong.

That is a choice, but not in the sense that people like this priest make it out to be.
14 posted on 08/24/2002 1:46:07 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER
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To: happytobealive
First fags, and pedophiles, now baby killing supporters. I am so proud of the catholics. Organized religion, ain't it great?

Why are you suprised? The catholic church is filled with all sorts of rejects.
15 posted on 08/24/2002 1:47:06 PM PDT by Brush_Your_Teeth
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To: happytobealive
He can twist Christianity like a snake can't he? Yeah your free to choose, your free to go to hades also. Rely on your conscience? What nonsense. Your conscience will excuse you anything you want to do. I had rather rely on commandments.
16 posted on 08/24/2002 1:48:56 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: happytobealive
Within ten years, Catholic doctrine will be virtually indistinguishable from from the Democrat Party platform.

Being aginst abortion is one of the few remaining differences. That will eventually dissolve, as other differences have.

17 posted on 08/24/2002 1:50:35 PM PDT by Mr. Bungle
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To: happytobealive
This priest has it desperately wrong.

Free Will gives freedom to sin. It doesn't mean God approves of sin even though He granted the Free Will.

Pro-Choice = Pro-Murder! - despite the Free Will.

The last I checked, Jesus was against murder. Somehow, I can't see Him standing there in his surgical mask with a scalpel, forceps and a suction-machine ripping a baby from a womb!

But then, I'm not a Theological Liberal trying to justify my own version of sin.

18 posted on 08/24/2002 1:51:57 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Joe Boucher
This priest does not speak for the Catholic Church, the Pope does... And he's pro-life.
19 posted on 08/24/2002 1:52:54 PM PDT by babygene
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What the Cardinal thinks:

Fr. Jeffrey Monforton, secretary to Cardinal Adam Maida, who said Granholm was a “Catholic in good standing” and that Granholm was not “pro-abortion per se but does not think abortion should be illegal.”

This quote was taken in reference to a talk Granholm gave at a Catholic grade school on how to be good: http://www.credopub.com/archives/2000/iss20000228/20000228p08.htm
20 posted on 08/24/2002 2:03:39 PM PDT by happytobealive
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