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Top Republicans Break With Bush on Iraq Strategy
The New York Times ^ | 08/16/2002 | TODD S. PURDUM and PATRICK E. TYLER

Posted on 08/15/2002 7:30:56 PM PDT by Pokey78

WASHINGTON, Aug. 15 — Leading Republicans from Congress, the State Department and past administrations have begun to break ranks with President Bush over his administration's high-profile planning for war with Iraq, saying the administration has neither adequately prepared for military action nor made the case that it is needed.

These senior Republicans include former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger and Brent Scowcroft, the first President Bush's national security adviser. All say they favor the eventual removal of Saddam Hussein, but some say they are concerned that Mr. Bush is proceeding in a way that risks alienating allies, creating greater instability in the Middle East, and harming long-term American interests. They add that the administration has not shown that Iraq poses an urgent threat to the United States.

At the same time, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, who summoned Mr. Kissinger for a meeting on Tuesday, and his advisers have decided that they should focus international discussion on how Iraq would be governed after Mr. Hussein — not only in an effort to assure a democracy but as a way to outflank administration hawks and slow the rush to war, which many in the department oppose.

"For those of us who don't see an invasion as an article of faith but as simply a policy option, there is a feeling that you need to give great consideration to what comes after, and that unless you're prepared to follow it through, then you shouldn't begin it," one senior administration official involved in foreign policy said today.

In an opinion article published today in The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Scowcroft, who helped build the broad international coalition against Iraq in the Persian Gulf war, warned that "an attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counter-terrorist campaign we have undertaken." An attack might provoke Iraq to use chemical or biological weapons in an effort to trigger war between Israel and the Arab world, he said.

His criticism has particular meaning for Mr. Bush because Mr. Scowcroft was virtually a member of the Bush family during the first President Bush's term and has maintained close relations with the former president.

Senator Chuck Hagel, Republican of Nebraska said that Secretary Powell and his deputy, Richard L. Armitage, had recently told President Bush of their concerns about the risks and complexities of a military campaign against Iraq, especially without broad international support. But senior White House and State Department officials said they were unaware of any such meeting.

Also today, Lawrence S. Eagleburger, who was briefly secretary of state for Mr. Bush's father, told ABC News that unless Mr. Hussein "has his hand on a trigger that is for a weapon of mass destruction, and our intelligence is clear, I don't know why we have to do it now, when all our allies are opposed to it."

Last week, Representative Dick Armey, the House majority leader, raised similar concerns.

The comments by Mr. Scowcroft and others in the Republican foreign policy establishment appeared to be a loosely coordinated effort. Mr. Scowcroft first spoke out publicly 10 days ago on the CBS News program "Face the Nation."

In an opinion article published on Monday in The Washington Post, Mr. Kissinger made a long and complex argument about the international complications of any military campaign, writing that American policy "will be judged by how the aftermath of the military operation is handled politically," a statement that seems to play well with the State Department's strategy.

"Military intervention should be attempted only if we are willing to sustain such an effort for however long it is needed," he added. Far from ruling out military intervention, Mr. Kissinger said the challenge was to build a careful case that the threat of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction calls for creation of a new international security framework in which pre-emptive action may sometimes be justified.

Through his office in New York, Mr. Kissinger relayed a message that his meeting with Secretary Powell had been scheduled before the publication of his article and was unrelated. But a State Department official said Secretary Powell had wanted Mr. Kissinger's advice on how to influence administration thinking on both Iraq and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Scowcroft wrote that if the United States "were seen to be turning our backs" on the Israeli-Palestinian dispute "in order to go after Iraq, there would be an explosion of outrage against us."

He added: "There is a virtual consensus in the world against an attack on Iraq at this time. So long as that sentiment persists, it would require the U.S. to pursue a virtual go-it-alone strategy against Iraq, making any military operations correspondingly more difficult and expensive."

Richard N. Perle, a former Reagan administration official and one of the leading hawks who has been orchestrating an urgent approach to attacking Iraq, said today that Mr. Scowcroft's arguments were misguided and naïve.

"I think Brent just got it wrong," he said by telephone from France. "The failure to take on Saddam after what the president said would produce such a collapse of confidence in the president that it would set back the war on terrorism."

Mr. Perle added, "I think it is naïve to believe that we can produce results in the 50-year-old dispute between the Israelis and the Arabs, and therefore this is an excuse for not taking action."

Senator Hagel, who was among the earliest voices to question Mr. Bush's approach to Iraq, said today that the Central Intelligence Agency had "absolutely no evidence" that Iraq possesses or will soon possess nuclear weapons.

He said he shared Mr. Kissinger's concern that Mr. Bush's policy of pre-emptive strikes at governments armed with weapons of mass destruction could induce India to attack Pakistan and could create the political cover for Israel to expel Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza.

"You can take the country into a war pretty fast," Mr. Hagel said, "but you can't get out as quickly, and the public needs to know what the risks are."

He added, "Maybe Mr. Perle would like to be in the first wave of those who go into Baghdad."

For months, the State Department's approach has been to focus on how to build a government in Iraq.

After meetings here last week involving Iraqi opposition groups and administration officials, one official said today that there was now consensus in the State Department that if more discussion was focused on the challenge of creating a post-Hussein government, "that would start broaching the question of what kind of assistance you are going to need from the international community to assure this structure endures — read between the lines, how long the occupation will have to be."

Such discussions, the official added, would have a sobering effect on the war-planners.


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1 posted on 08/15/2002 7:30:56 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Were not going to set foot in Baghdad, these people need to get a grip.
2 posted on 08/15/2002 7:34:53 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Pokey78
There are about six different articles today about these weenies and a bunch of Brit weenies saying the same dang thing. They are the same group the presided over the end of the Viet Nam conflict and thereafter. That is why they are not part of the current administration. They all should get back to their retirement. We either finish this now or get used to nine-eleven like events and give up one or two liberties a day for the rest of our lives.
3 posted on 08/15/2002 7:38:35 PM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: Pokey78
This good news. The traditional thinkers are jumping ship.

We are in a new era folks. Bush is thinking outside the box and is not just looking to oust Saddam, but to reconfigure the entire political structure of the Middle East.

Go to CSPAN and listen to his key speeches.....he's not f***ing around. He is patient and will do what he says. This involves Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and the "Palestinians".

Once Iraq goes, Iran is surrounded by US forces and infuence.....it all seems to be taking shape.

4 posted on 08/15/2002 7:39:01 PM PDT by zarf
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To: Pokey78
Kissinger and Scowcroft work for the Chinese communists, period.

ChiComs are against it, Kissinger and Scowcroft are against it.

5 posted on 08/15/2002 7:39:08 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Pokey78
...there is a feeling that you need to give great consideration to what comes after, and that unless you're prepared to follow it through, then you shouldn't begin it,"

Hear, hear! I'm as disgusted with Saddam, Iraq, and their 'Islamic brothers' as anyone else, but I am afraid that the administration hasn't completely thought this through. After an invasion/regime change, then what? How do we keep the region stable? Do we keep troops there? How many? How long? How will it affect our other commitments (Afghanistan, Korea, Japan, Europe)?

Someone in another thread said that we must constantly review our policies and reduce our presence if possible. We may eventually find ourselves in the position of having troops all over the world but with none to protect the homeland.

6 posted on 08/15/2002 7:39:53 PM PDT by Skwidd
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To: Pokey78
What this proves is that we've learned absolutely nothing from September 11th. People like this always say unless we have proof that he has nuclear weapons or is going to use them against us we shouldn't do anything. They would rather wait for another 3,000 innocent people to be slaughtered and then boy, you better watch out because now you've really made us mad!! What a bunch of whiney little girly boys!! Scared of their own shadow.
7 posted on 08/15/2002 7:40:39 PM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: Husker24
Reading this artical just gave me a terrible migrane. I'm sure glad I don't have to figure out how to get rid of saddam and deal with the euro weenies.
8 posted on 08/15/2002 7:40:51 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Husker24
Why print this excrement from the Liberal York Times anyway?

They don't want us to hit the criminal government of Iraq and they're pulling out all the stops.

First, they tried treason in publishing our war plans; then they made up a phony poll that we're all allegedly against hitting Iraq; and, now, they get these arabists appeasers (yes, Kissenger too) to try to throw cold water on the enterprise.

Enough with the Marxist York Times. They really called it with their treatment of this scientist/anthrax suspect Hatfill, too. (/sarcasm>

9 posted on 08/15/2002 7:41:44 PM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: Pokey78; RAT Patrol; AdA$tra; Free State Four; TroutStalker; The_Reader_David; rwfromkansas; ...
"DO NOT FORGET"

I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why didn't the Jews fight back?"

Now I know why.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why weren't we prepared?"

Now I know why.

Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil people.

On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors.

On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of the rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations have announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying devastating footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.

I will not be manipulated.

I will not pretend to understand.

I will not forget.

I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.

I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel about him, he is still our president."

I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President Bush's motives for not returning immediately to Washington, DC and commented, "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about Washington."

And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor should they be expected -- to show deference."

I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.

I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem communications.

I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like those perfected by the previous administration.

I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the silly "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.

I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who exploit the right of expression to chant anti-American obscenities.

I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines.

I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose reassurance over reality.

I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not 7,000 but 70,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?

There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"

I will force myself to:


-hear the weeping
-feel the helplessness
-imagine the terror
-sense the panic
-smell the burning flesh
- experience the loss
- remember the hatred.

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself, "Where did they find the courage?"

Now I know.

We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.

-- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.)
Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine.




10 posted on 08/15/2002 7:42:42 PM PDT by jonefab
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To: Pokey78
The NYT is at it again, using news stories as editorials for reasons not to go into Iraq.

What do they mean "top Republicans"? You have one renegade Senator, and 3 former Secretaries of State (people in that position are not known for being hawks on anything).

If this was a Cabinent Secretary going on the record or something, that would be one thing, but this headline and story should be on the ediotrial page. I love the anonamous statement from a "senior official" involved in "foreign policy".

Dick Armey voicing his reservations was real news, he is a top member of the House Leadership, but he is retiring so its really watered down. What a damn joke the Times is.

11 posted on 08/15/2002 7:42:49 PM PDT by frmrda
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To: Pokey78
Kissinger is right Saudi Arabia and Iran are the main enemy not secular Iraq. The only good thing about Iraq is than we can then invade both Iran and Saudi by land if we want.
12 posted on 08/15/2002 7:42:53 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Pokey78
Last I checked Bush has not released any strategy. The NYT's published something they claim as the "Startegy" and it was debunked. Now they manage to get a few so-called "Top Republicans" to state their opinion on a strategy that the NYT's claims to be Bush's. The NYT's is just doing what thay always do on every issue..... They try to divide republicans with bogus and manufactured stories.
13 posted on 08/15/2002 7:45:47 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: tallhappy
"Top Republicans"

These guys? Why no be honest, "Very well paid lobbyists"

NY Times has an itch about this. My guess - Saudis begging ($$) to interfere with a war that could only threaten their profits.

14 posted on 08/15/2002 7:48:46 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Pokey78
I'm not very optimistic about Gulf War II, but if East Coast establishment figures like Kissinger, Scowcroft and Powell are opposed to the idea of attacking Iraq, then something very big must be upsetting the old boys at Pratt House.
15 posted on 08/15/2002 7:48:56 PM PDT by Commander8
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To: Pokey78
Henry Kissinger, Mr."Peace With Honor".
16 posted on 08/15/2002 7:49:11 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Pokey78; aculeus; Orual; general_re
Bump for the NY Times, which is always good for hitting a fresh bottom.
17 posted on 08/15/2002 7:50:42 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Pokey78
It never ceases to amaze me when experienced, educated, rational people begin to use these three same attributes to estimate the possible actions of psychotic, ignorant, never been out of the country, dictator. As if they are dealing with a contemporary.

The publisher of a French newspaper was asked by St. Exupery if Chamberlain was impressed by Hitler. The answer was yes. The question was also asked if Hitler was impressed by Chamberlain. History has provided the answer as to what impresses common criminal thugs that rise to become dictators of nation states.

18 posted on 08/15/2002 7:53:03 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Pokey78
Who the hell writes this crap? Were these people even on this planet last year. I get so sick of this kind of liberal spin rhetoric. How is it that these people can only stay upset about their own country men being murdered for only a month. Then they start waffling. I am not a liberal, and the reason I can say this with confidence is that I AM NOT A COWARD!
19 posted on 08/15/2002 7:56:12 PM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: AdA$tra
They are the same group the presided over the end of the Viet Nam conflict and thereafter.

True, but the current bunch is the same group that's given us airport security, the anthrax investigation, the color-code follies and various vague threats-of-the-week.

Do we really want to go to war under the direction of folks who are not too competent?

20 posted on 08/15/2002 7:56:34 PM PDT by Grut
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