Posted on 08/13/2002 9:40:24 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
What was it that was said about people willing to sacrifice a little freedom in exchange for a little safety?
Somewhere out there, there could conceivably be another Tim McVeigh, another Ted Kazinski, another Charles Whitman...tell me Hugh, how do you find them before they break the law without violating the Constitution?
You'll answer something along the line of there being a difference between citizens and non citizens.
I guess to you, the Declaration of Independence, and the principles under which this Nation was founded, are just so many empty words.
I won't answer your next post.
The Founders didn't say that. I'm not arguing that they said that. They insured that you could become a person "of the United States", if you were born on foreign soil. It's called Naturalization, and it's mentioned in the Constitution.
Why do you suppose the Founders gave Congress the authority to establish rules of naturalization? Those rules allow those not born on American soil to become citizens. Why bother being a citizen, if you've already got all the rights in the Bill of Rights? Could it be that the Founders benevolently wished for foreigners to become naturalized so that they could benefit from having their God-given liberties secured by the United States?? Could it be that they acknowledged that until naturalized, a person wasn't "of the United States", and therefore his liberty could not be fully secured by the United States?
Why make the provision for naturalization, if it didn't involve any increase in rights for the person on US soil?
What good does naturalization do the person?
There are some Creator-endowed, unalienable rights (Life liberty and property) mentioned in the Bill of Rights, and there are some rights that are granted by Man. I don't think God said anything about the right to a Grand Jury, or a search warrant. It's not going to kill ZM, if his computer gets searched, and 3000 lives are saved as a result. And since he was a foreigner, it could have been searched without a warrant.
"If we take rights seriously, we may see that the equivocal language of our Constitution furnishes a vehicle and a formidable legal argument for recognizing the rights of all persons, even illegal immigrants, terrorists, and other enemies of the state. " - quoted proudly by Luis Gonzalez from http://www.spinninglobe.net/dueprocess.html
May God help the People of The United States secure the blessings of His endowed liberty to ourselves and our posterity.
American Lives are more important than getting a search warrant for a foreigner's computer.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/738376/posts
The opinion may be important in documenting why the F.B.I. was hesitant last summer to seek court authority to search the computer and other belongings of Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person charged in the Sept. 11 attacks.
Mr. Moussaoui was arrested in Minnesota last August, and F.B.I. officials have acknowledged that their failure to investigate him more fully was among the mistakes that allowed the Sept. 11 hijackers to operate in the United States undetected in the weeks before the attacks.
(You might be interested, assuming you think the 9/11 attacks were worse than an unwarranted search and seizure of a foreigner's computer would be.)
You haven't satisfactorily answered any of my posts, except the one where you posted the quote from Phyler vs. Doe.
That was quite an interesting case. Wonder how the Supreme Court got around the 11th Amendment on that one?
Yeah just look! :)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/738376/posts
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