O God, destroy the Jews, the Christians, the tyrant Jews, the usurper Jews and the vile Christians

IMRAe ^ | 8-12-02

[SJackson]

O God, destroy the Jews...O God, destroy the Christians, " - Yemeni sermon broadcast on official TV 9 August 2002

[FBIS (A US government agency) Report] Sanaa Republic of Yemen Television in Arabic, official television station of the Republic of Yemen, on 9 August 2002 at 0917 GMT carries a 35-minute live sermon from the Grand Mosque in Sanaa. Shaykh Akram Abd-al-Razzaq al-Ruqayhi delivers the sermon.... Concluding, the imam prays to God: "O God, support those supporting Islam, disappoint those disappointing Muslims, and give wisdom to Muhammad's nation. O God, give victory to our mujahidin brothers in Palestine and elsewhere. O God, strengthen them and give them courage." He goes on: "O God, destroy the Jews and their supporters. O God, destroy the Christians and their supporters and followers, shake the ground under them, instill fear in their hearts, and freeze the blood in their veins. O God, destroy them for they are within your power."

"O God, destroy the tyrant Jews" - Saudi sermon broadcast on official TV 9 August 2002

FBIS (A US government agency) Report] Riyadh Kingdom of Saudi Arabia TV1 in Arabic, official television station of the Saudi Government, on 9 August 2002 at 0935 GMT carries an 18-minute live sermon from the holy mosque in Mecca. Shaykh Usamah Abdallah Khayyat delivers the sermon ... Concluding, the imam prays to God: "O God, strengthen Islam and Muslims, protect Islam, and destroy its enemies, the tyrants, and the corrupt. O God, close the Muslim ranks and give wisdom to their leaders." He goes on: "O God, give victory to the mujahidin for the sake of your religion and elevate Your word everywhere. O God, help the mujahidin score victory in Palestine, Kashmir, and Chechnya. O God, destroy the tyrant Jews for they are within your power."

"O God, destroy the usurper Jews and the vile Christians" - Qatari sermon broadcast on official TV 9 August 2002

[FBIS (A US government agency) Report] Doha Qatar Television Service in Arabic, official television station of the State of Qatar, on 9 August 2002 at 0849 GMT carries a 58-minute live sermon from the Umar Bin-al-Khattab Mosque in Doha. Shaykh Anwar al-Badawi delivers the sermon... "The enemies have not left us any other choice. How could they try to prohibit martyrdom operations? Regrettably, some Muslim Arab politicians describe these martyrdom-seekers as terrorists." Our Islam, he says, is a religion of mercy and guidance and allows fighting only to repulse aggression. He says: "Islam does not know terrorism. Moreover, it fights all forms of terrorism, but it encourages martyrdom operations against aggressors." .... Concluding, the imam prays to God: "O God, destroy the usurper Jews and the vile Christians. O God, destroy the Jews. O God, pour Your anger on them. O God, destroy them. O God, support our Palestinian brothers, give them courage, and have mercy on them and their martyrs, children, and women."

[Michael2001]

I have no idea who or what they consider their enemies, I was just making a point that throughout history, many have prayed to God to deliver their enemies. It's not just a Muslim thing.

Yes but note who they consider their enemy; not the US, not Israel, but Christians and Jews. They know this is a religous war, while we are still pretending that "Islam is a religion of peace".

[SJackson]

Yes but note who they consider their enemy; not the US, not Israel, but Christians and Jews. They know this is a religous war, while we are still pretending that "Islam is a religion of peace".

I suspect that's just an issue of priortizing. Given the chance, which they will not get, Hindus, Buddists (sp?), Wiccans, athiests, they're all in line.

[sheik yerbouty]

It is the jihadists who will be destroyed. their "day of Fire" will utterly consume them.

[stuartcr]

Let us assume that there is a Christ...

[stuartcr]

I have no religion, I only believe in God, the creator of all.

[RightOnline]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH yeah.........yeah, now I remember.

That "religion of peace" thing.

Sorry to disappoint 'em, but it's going to be their part of the world that becomes a series of gigantic, smoking holes.......not ours.

[RightOnline]

"I have no idea."

"World Religions for 500, Alex........"

"Which of the 4 largest religions on earth has grown almost exclusively by fire and sword and is sworn to the destruction of ALL who refuse to accept their 'faith', even plotting their violent deaths as they feign friendship?"

"Ummm.........er............gee, well, um.....................what is Hinduism????"

[insert obnoxious buzzer]

That give you a little hint?

[mercy]

What use is a god who sets the universe ticking and then withdraws to utter remoteness ... never seen, never heard?
A god without evedence of his existence is a god that does not care. I have no use for such a god.

[mercy]

"I don't study any texts because my beliefs are just as valid as those of anyone."

Imagine that the above quote was that of a young budding mathematician spoken to Albert Einstein. Then imagine just how loud Mr. Einstein would have laughed.

Your thinking is that of a petulent child. I'm sorry to insult you but there is not the simplest logic to your core belief. You might as well be schzophrenic because in you self created world there is no reality. No truth. No proof of anything. Just YOU. The absolute ruler.

The emporer has no clothes.

[stuartcr]

It seems rather arrogant to think that God should owe you something. Why do you feel that God has to have a use for mankind? He is seen and heard every second of our existence. I don't believe God should be required to prove His existence to us. You have no use for a God that doesn't cater to you? The universe is huge beyond comprehension, we are very small, and our existence fleeting in comparison.

[stuartcr]

First of all, I believe that the science of mathematics is pretty well definable. How do you apply logic or definition to such things as the existence of God, or the soul? We are talking about that which is beyond our logic. God created the universe, our logic is confined to here on earth. Please try to be less insulting in the future.

[mercy]

I'm trying not to insult you but you are so entrenched in your non logical thought circles that one is forced to be direct.

You are right in that God's existence can not be proven nor disproven as mathematical theories can. However the analogy I gave you referencing Einstein is still a good one.

I like you started out with the assumpion that God IS. I know it in every cell of my being. The greatest expert, according to my extensive research, on these matters was Jesus of Nazereth. Witness the power that one itinerant preacher who arranged his own death on a cross exemplifies. He is the cornerstone of Western Civilization and I warrant the most powerful person in terms of influence to have ever lived.

This man, who claimed to be God incarnate, tells me that God is a loving Father who cares deeply about me and everyone. Indeed everyTHING. It's just that there's this separation problem which stemmed from sin.

I'll take this personal God thankyou. I'll study His experts who teach of Him. You can have your nebulous thoughts and ideas that flow only from your own mind.

[stuartcr]

I don't believe the analogy is a good one, we're talking about a mathematician and God. How do you apply our human logic to God? Thank you for liking my assumption. Why would I want to accept the claim of one human beings' definition of God? What would be the difference between he and another? I don't believe any human being can truely comprehend God.

[desertcry]

Let us assume that there is a Christ.... Profound arguement by an arrogant atheist. Let us assume that you exists, and have a brain.

[stuartcr]

If you had read a little, you would realize I am far from an atheist.

[mercy]

**** Why would I want to accept the claim of one human beings' definition of God?****

He was only half human.

I dare you to read a book. "Evidence That Demands A Verdict" by Josh McDowell. Twelve Apostles and a host of apostles gave their lives, often dying from torture, and held their witness untill the end. They saw miracles. They experienced miracles. They performed miracles in His name. And they KNOW they saw him die on a cross and three days ressurect in a miraculous body and later ascend into heavean before their very eyes. Many of them saw him appear to them after His ascension.

Paul, a persecuter and killer of Christians became His greatest witness. He spent many years in jail and died for his witness. Why?

Why was Peter willing to endure being crucified upside down rather than forsake His Lord that he had known in the flesh as Jesus of Nazereth? Because he had eyeball proof that He was who He said He was.

There IS powerful evidence that God has made a Way for man to return to His Graces. To come into His very presence. Why would you utterly reject the idea that The True God is willing to have a relationship with man?

(An aside about my Einstein analogy: It's not about math. If you were not so totally defensive you would have read what I wrote instead of twisting it to fit your reality. {a sign by the way of one doing everything possible NOT to see the evidence being presented} It's about logic. Thought. I will spell it out for you. Einstein studied all of the great mathematicians ... and THEN went beyond them. YOU ... want to skip the first step. Uh UH. Can't do that. Not allowed. The universe has certain parameters. Those who do not recognise them are either simpletons or crazy.)

[stuartcr]

I will have to take your word that he was only half-human. The analogy was about a mathematician speaking to another mathematician, mathematics, a science based on logic and written formulae. I am talking about God, and beliefs not based on logic. Regardless of how well informed he is, how could a modern writer possibly know what went on in ancient history, much less have reliable proof of a half-man performing miracles? The universe certainly does have perimeters, but only the ones that our human logic can derive. We are speaking of God, the creator of the universe and logic as we know it. Don't you think there may be more out there that we don't understan, or are incapable of? If not, it seems extremely arrogant to think that we as humans are the all-knowing just because of a really old book. Please explain to me the logic of the soul. Do you have a definition of the soul? Can any of Einsteins formula define the soul? It just comes down to an individuals personal belief.

[mercy]

****It just comes down to an individuals personal belief.****

It's the last thing in life that can come down to one's personal belief. What can be more important than the disposition of one's eternal soul?

This 'old book' that you see no value in is diferent from any other book on the planet. The Dead Sea Scrolls ( a topic covered in the book I recommmended to you ) are unique on the planet for the written word. Even more unique is that they revealed that ancient manuscripts we had prior to their discovery were very acurate. The Old Testament, the Jewish bible so to speak, was so faithfully coppied that no significant changes had been made in it's writings ( proven by comparison ) over several hundred years.

No other ancient manuscripts can make this claim. Both of age and faithfulness to the original text. This 'old book' makes many predictions, or prophecies, that have been proven to come to pass. Including the coming of 'A Messiah'. Several predictions were made concerning rather minute details of what This Messiah would do and how he would die. Jesus of Nazereth fulfilled them all to a T. Including the time of his coming as foretold in the book of Daniel.

This Messiah performed miracles and rose from the dead. He said any that any who accept that He had come from God and that He had died for all mankinds sins ... would have eternal life.

No other religion makes such wild and astonishing claims. No other religious figure of any note has claimed to be One with God and in fact God Incarnate.

There is ample evidence as I have referenced, that this man's claims are accurate and true. The religion he founded when compared to the other 'world religions' is very diferent and unique. This religion fostered Western Civilization. It also did not obviate the religion it sprang from. It is, rather, the capstone of Judhaism and any knowledgeable Christian understand that he is a spiritual Jew as well as a Christian.

Yet you toss it out with the trash without ever having studied it. I think it obvious that each man is captain of his own ship. When he sets a course for his ship of soul in this life it continues on into eternity on that course. You have set a course for eternal oblivion. We are creatures not creators. We are required to observe our place in the universe and follow the universal commandment which is the First Commandment. To do otherwise is idolatry ... which is, really, to put our SELF first and God somewhere down the line.

"Not my will but Thine oh God. I know nothing and you are the creator of the universe. Though you have obviously steped back from your creation and I can only sense you by faith ... I will search for you. I will believe in you. I will accept your Word. I will not make my doubts more powerful than the evidence you have given all of us."

Sorry to be so long winded. You have made yourself more powerful than great men and strong evidence. Without study ... on no information other than your own mind ... you have decided what is true. How can you not see your foolishness? Your gigantic pride is your god. As I stated before. Your God is too small. There IS a real God. He has made plain demands of man and you are ignoring them.

[mercy]

I have to add stuart ...

Looking back over our little discussion here ... if one were from Mars, had no reference to any of the particulars of our discussion, and only had the rules of logic and evidence to judge the discussion by .... your losing miserably.

I don't want you to lose so I can feel I beat you. I want you to lose so that you may have eternal life. I KNOW I'm right Stuart. I've studied all of the world religions and many primitive religions. I've done an honest comparison from a completely neutral position. That is, BEFORE I chose one.

What kind of a god worth accepting would leave thinking inteligent creatures totally alone? He would not. I guess that's another assumption I've made at the base of my belief system but I think it warranted.

If I die and find your type of god ... I'm going to flip him the bird because he never did anything for me. I don't appreciate just being a lab rat.