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I bet the perp thinks twice before messing with little kids again...
1 posted on 08/08/2002 12:43:24 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
With deer season just around the corner, it might have just been wiser to invite him to deer camp.
Those awful, awful hunting accidents, don't ya know?
2 posted on 08/08/2002 12:49:24 PM PDT by dtel
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Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't kill him," said Carl Taylor, a criminologist at Michigan State University

Makes you wonder who the pedo-priests single out as victims, considering how few acts of vigilantism against priests that are reported. They must prey on the safest victims.

I'm beginning to think you owe it to the child to kill or mutilate the perp so the child can feel safe again.

4 posted on 08/08/2002 12:53:58 PM PDT by evolved_rage
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"That is not a good thing, because often the punishment is much harsher, more brutal, than what is appropriate," Fox said. "That's why we have laws, a system, to handle crime and punishment."

There is no punnishment harsh enough for this chomo. I'd be surprised if that creep ever gets it up again. 3rd degree scars are going to hard to inflate.

EBUCK

5 posted on 08/08/2002 12:56:17 PM PDT by EBUCK
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"That is not a good thing, because often the punishment is much harsher, more brutal, than what is appropriate," Fox said. "That's why we have laws, a system, to handle crime and punishment."

Translation: We don't want citizens going around deciding what's "appropriate." That's why we have judges: to let criminals off with less punishment than they deserve.

6 posted on 08/08/2002 12:57:36 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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...pressed the smoking spatula on his genitals...

Hot Dog!

7 posted on 08/08/2002 12:58:24 PM PDT by TankerKC
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Future lawsuit against Spatula City?
8 posted on 08/08/2002 12:58:57 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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"That is not a good thing, because often the punishment is much harsher, more brutal, than what is appropriate," Fox said.

Fox is an enabler... there is no punishment that is "more brutal, than what is appropriate" for those who sodomize children... Maybe if the courts used more hot spatulas on the private parts of these monsters, we'd have less vigilantes doing it...

9 posted on 08/08/2002 12:59:22 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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'In June 2001, Gibson, 38, pleaded guilty to two counts of second-degree criminal sexual conduct for the attacks on his nephews and was ordered to serve an 8- to 40-year prison term.'

Be out in 2? Vigilantism occurs when they know justice will not be served.

10 posted on 08/08/2002 12:59:27 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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Was it wrong of me to feel a little twinge of satisfaction upon reading this evil man's fate?
13 posted on 08/08/2002 1:06:33 PM PDT by lsee
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"As their statements continued, several courtroom spectators started nodding their heads in seeming approval"

Sorry....I know I'm going to get flamed for being cold hearted and unsympathetic from some DU-type poster, but.....

ROFLOL

<* Nodding head in seeming approval *>

14 posted on 08/08/2002 1:09:04 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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How come that guy who was serving a life sentence was involved? Thats the biggest story in the article.
15 posted on 08/08/2002 1:09:20 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
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Already posted here.
17 posted on 08/08/2002 1:11:53 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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...an increased level of vigilante actions..

Hey, if it makes the next piece of Clinton reconsider raping or molesting a kid, it works for me.

18 posted on 08/08/2002 1:19:26 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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"That is not a good thing, because often the punishment is much harsher, more brutal, than what is appropriate."

Balony. We've seen just how effective PC "appropriate" punishment is. 1:) 5 Years, out in 18 months 2:) Counciling 3:)Parol 4:) Disappears and/or is lost by system 5:) Permanently damages another child.

20 posted on 08/08/2002 1:21:25 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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...It might send a message to the perps. But, it might send a message to vigilanties, that there is no rule of law. Are you saying torture him instead of lynching him? What next, put him in the stocks?

...The Judicial system is flawed, and corrupt, I agree. But, if the rule of law is subverted by the majority or the minority, then, I have reason to fear my liberty and property by you, that condone this act as justifiable...

22 posted on 08/08/2002 1:27:55 PM PDT by gargoyle
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And then there's this little tidbit from NewsMax:

Feel Better Now – The Bad Guy's Dead

David C. Stolinsky Thursday, Aug. 8, 2002

Be not afraid of any man, no matter what his size. When danger threatens call on me, and I will equalize. – 19th century ad for Colt revolvers

Recently I was feeling sorry for myself – not really depressed, but overly absorbed with minor problems. I sat down to lunch in a grumpy mood and turned on the radio.

First I heard that two teenage girls had been kidnapped at gunpoint from a lover's lane in California at 1 a.m. A massive hunt was on for them and the man who took them. The 37-year-old's criminal record began at age 10 and included burglary, carjacking, drug possession and raping a family member. Why he was free was not stated.

This didn't improve my mood. I feared that the girls would end up like so many young people lately – either dead by a roadside or missing for an indefinite period. I feared that their parents and friends were in for a long and painful wait.

But then a breaking news story interrupted the commentary. It was reported that both girls had been found alive and the kidnapper had been shot dead. Apparently he was looking for a place to bury the girls when authorities spotted his vehicle. At this my mood improved, and I began to eat with a better appetite. Then a correction noted that the girls were indeed all right, but the kidnapper was alive and in custody. I could feel my mood darken again.

I had assumed that my improved frame of mind was due to relief that the girls were alive and well, and that their kidnapper was under arrest and unable to harm anyone else, at least for now. Clearly, this happy news was on my mind. Yet if this was the sole cause of my improved mood, why did it worsen again when I heard that the criminal was alive? As I pondered this question while finishing my coffee yogurt, a further bulletin was aired.

A sheriff's spokesman announced that the man was indeed dead at the scene. A reporter added that kidnappers shouldn't come to that county, because they'd be shot. And sure enough, my mood improved again. Why? Wasn't it enough that the two girls were alive and outwardly well? Wasn't it enough that an armed criminal was safely in custody?

No, it wasn't enough.

Fourteen-year old Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped from her Utah bedroom and remains missing two months later. There are no definite suspects. Seven-year-old Danielle Van Dam was kidnapped from her California bedroom. Later her nude body was found so decomposed that a dentist had to identify it. The accused murderer is on trial.

Five-year-old Samantha Runnion was kidnapped from in front of her California home. Her nude body was found by a roadside. The accused murderer is in custody. He had previously been acquitted of molesting two 9-year-old girls, though he admitted touching one of them repeatedly while "bathing" her. His lawyer got him off by accusing the girls of having been "coached" and referred to the case as a "win." We might have a different opinion.

Five-year-old Rilya Wilson disappeared from the Florida foster children's program, but nobody noticed for 15 months. DNA tests may reveal whether the decapitated body of a young girl is Rilya, but if not, who is she? Two-year-old Jahi Turner remains missing after having been kidnapped from a California park over three months ago. On a happier note, 7-year-old Erica Pratt escaped from a Philadelphia basement by gnawing through the duct tape binding her hands, then kicking out a door panel and yelling for help. The two kidnappers were caught.

While preparing this article, I couldn't recall Erica's name, so I searched Google for "kidnapped girl." I found 182,000 entries, indicating that Google is a powerful search engine – and also that we're in deep trouble. Perhaps all this bad news had been on my mind. Perhaps the deterrent value of being shot to death was glaringly obvious. Perhaps my subconscious knew that the scales of justice are seriously out of balance. Perhaps the news that the kidnapper of the two teenagers had been shot dead by sheriff's deputies helped to balance the scales a bit.

When scales are out of balance, they need to be rebalanced.

Early in the last century, trials were brief and punishment prompt. In 1901, President McKinley was shot with a handgun that was advertised in the Sears catalog for $3.27 – including postage.

But the assassin was executed 53 days after the crime. The homicide rate in 1901 was only about one-fifth of what it is now. Which factor seems to have a greater effect on homicide: easy access to guns, or prompt punishment of murderers?

Does the death penalty deter criminals? In 1950 the homicide rate was 5.3 per 100,000; there was one execution for every 67 homicides. By 1960 the homicide rate was 4.7, but now there was only one execution for every 151 homicides. The courts blocked all executions from 1968 through 1976, and from 1977 through 1980 there were exactly three in the entire nation.

Homicide reached its 100-year peak of 10.7 in 1980. It is difficult to claim that this was a mere coincidence, and not a result of our misplaced sympathy for murderers. Executions then increased slowly. By 1992 the homicide rate was 10.0; there were 31 executions and 23,760 homicides, or one execution for every 766 homicides. Even if capital punishment deterred murderers when it was used on one in 67 of them, could it still deter when the odds improve to one in 766, and that after an average of 11 years' delay? But by 1995 executions had increased to 56, or one for every 386 homicides, perhaps in part explaining the recent fall in homicide.

Other factors were at work. We can't say that the 13-year virtual moratorium on executions was the sole cause of the peak in homicide. But we can say that the moratorium clearly did not cause a fall in homicide. Those who claim that abolishing the death penalty would teach nonviolence ignore the evidence from this 13-year nationwide experiment, which is the best evidence we are likely to see. Abolishing capital punishment may be argued on religious or philosophical grounds, but not because it is a promising idea worth trying. It was tried and didn't work.

President Kennedy remarked that those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent change inevitable. Likewise, those who make legal justice unavailable will make extralegal justice unavoidable. Americans by nature tolerate a good deal of violence and disorder. We aren't a particularly orderly people. But our tolerance has limits.

If the courts don't execute murderers, especially murderers of children, the police will have to shoot them – while resisting arrest, of course. And if the police don't shoot them, eventually ordinary citizens will. Eventually people will stop tolerating the intolerable. Thanks to Megan's Law, the names and addresses of child molesters and sexual predators are now available. If we don't want vigilantes to come calling, we need to assure our children's safety by other means.

Maybe the two teens shouldn't have been out so late. Maybe Samantha shouldn't have been in the yard with only her friends and no adult. But blaming the victim is no longer popular. Indeed, it's getting really annoying. When I was 8 years old, I walked to school alone through a park. Back then, there was more poverty and racism than there is now. There were more violent images, too – World War II was raging. But back then, people were held responsible for their own actions, so there was less crime. And kids could grow up without fear. Molesters lived in fear then. Now kids do. That's progress?

I was more cheerful as I finished my coffee yogurt because I knew the kidnapper and rapist of the two girls could never hurt anyone else. Never. But beyond that, I knew that the scales of justice were just a bit more balanced than they had been an hour earlier. It may be that some of the anxiety and depression so commonly felt by Americans is the result of a continual bombardment of news about kidnapped and brutalized children – but a dearth of news about the execution of the perpetrators. We can't help but be affected by all this unanswered violence against the most innocent and vulnerable, leaving us with a profound sense of helplessness and injustice.

If people think they are helpless in an unjust world, it's no surprise when they feel depressed and anxious. But instead of large doses of "happy" pills, perhaps all they need is to feel a bit less helpless, in a world that's a bit less unjust.

A good way to accomplish this is to straighten our bent justice system. This may take some time. Meanwhile, you'll understand if you see me smiling when I hear that at least one bad guy got what he deserved.

Yes, I feel better now. Don't you?

23 posted on 08/08/2002 1:28:08 PM PDT by 45Auto
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Thank God we don't need to bother with assumptions of innocence or messy courts anymore. I feel much safer now.

SD

24 posted on 08/08/2002 1:34:04 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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Don't try and understand 'em...

Just tie and rope and brand 'em...

26 posted on 08/08/2002 1:44:46 PM PDT by caddie
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Anybody who is a parent can understand this -- not condone it, but understand it."

I condone it!

These guys should have taken it to trial. I bet at least one juror would feel the same as I do.

29 posted on 08/08/2002 1:50:13 PM PDT by Isle of sanity in CA
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The hell with branding. They should have stuck a hot poker up his butt.
33 posted on 08/08/2002 2:09:40 PM PDT by mass55th
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