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Preparing for Jihad in Alabama - Islamic Militant Training Camp Allegedly Operating in Alabama
ABCnews.com | 7/25/02 | Brian Ross

Posted on 07/25/2002 4:38:02 PM PDT by freeperfromnj

July 25 — A training camp linked to Islamic militants has been operating in Alabama, and European law enforcement officials believe Muslim extremists were using it to prepare for a holy war.

British authorities also thought that militants from overseas were training in the United States to take advantage of America's gun laws, sources told ABCNEWS. The looming question for law enforcement is whether there is a connection between the camp and the al Qaeda terror network.

An investigation by Britain's Scotland Yard led to the discovery of the camp in Marion, Ala. The facility is called "Ground Zero USA."

Bullet-riddled police cars and a school bus with mannequin targets are scattered around the property. Inside a huge shed is an equally macabre scene — shot-up mannequins, male and female, in domestic settings, some with red, blood-like stains on them.

Ground Zero's operators promised state-of-the-art, world-class training in automatic weapons, urban warfare, SWAT tactics and martial arts, supposedly to fight terror attacks.

Marion Police Chief Tony Buford said he became suspicious of the use of police cars and buses as targets.

"It was rumored that the camp here was used as training site for possible people that were sent here to do bodily harm to Americans," Buford told ABCNEWS.

Web Site Provides Terror Link

The suspected terror ties of the Alabama camp were unknown until after Sept. 11, when officials in London arrested an accused al Qaeda supporter, Zain-ul-Albidin

He is charged with operation of a Web site, under the name of Sakina Security, allegedly recruiting Muslims for an Islamic jihad or holy war. He is now on trial in London.

The site, since taken down by British authorities, described what seemed to be the Alabama camp, including live-fire exercises at a state-of-the-art shooting range in the United States — something that would not be legal in Britain.

"In the United States, it is not illegal for anyone to receive military training, high-grade military training," said Rohan Gunaratna, author of Inside Al Qaeda.

The actual owners of camp, who are also British, say it was used primarily to train law enforcement personnel. Officials consider them unwitting accomplices. The camp owners declined to talk to ABCNEWS.

Scale of Secret Camps Unknown

It is not known how many holy war recruits came through the camp or when. But the FBI is now investigating a number of suspected training camps around the country.

"We know of a number of cases where Islamic terrorists came and training in this country in the early 1990s. It is likely that this scale of training is still continuing," Gunaratna said.

The most radical and belligerent of London's Islamic clerics, Abu Hamza, told ABCNEWS in a phone call that America's laws make such paramilitary training easy, "like a picnic."

British intelligence officials told ABCNEWS they are closely examining alleged ties between Hamza, who is said to have recruited alleged "20th hijacker" Zacarias Moussaoui, and Zain-ul-Albidin.


TOPICS: Front Page News; US: Alabama; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alabama; albidin; trainingcamp; ulalbidin; zainulalbidin
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To: freeperfromnj
These guys are everywhere.
81 posted on 07/25/2002 11:38:04 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: doug from upland
SSSHHHH.

Let the politicians think they are in charge for as long as possible.We would not want them shocked by the actual populace, or would we?hehehehe

82 posted on 07/25/2002 11:39:02 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: freeperfromnj
Sounds like anti-gun propaganda to me. Here's the website: Ground Zero USA. Looks like they mostly provide law enforcement training.
83 posted on 07/26/2002 1:31:33 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: FreedomFriend
Friend, you are the one who needs to wake up. I say that in all due respect. See this thread and then the link posted to another thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/715524/posts?page=11#11


Both threads sure clear up that this is not propaganda. This is real and folks better wake up to the truth about these muslims in our country.

Stay safe, and by all means, stay armed.
84 posted on 07/26/2002 3:52:28 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: freeperfromnj
I don't think we know half of what's really been going on. … our FBI has been looking for “White, Right-wing Christian Militia groups” allowing the Muslims a free pass on training.
85 posted on 07/26/2002 4:24:24 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: tessalu
A member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission said in Detroit on Friday he could foresee a scenario in which the public would demand internment camps for ArabAmericans if Arab terrorists strike again in this country.

Internment camps for ArabAmericans? … I don’t think so. If Arab terrorists strike America with suicide bombers, the American public’s backlash reaction will be a lot harsher, and a lot swifter than that! The terrorist’s families will probably be begging for the safety of internment camps.

86 posted on 07/26/2002 4:35:10 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: blam
Yeah, if they want to have a career as kamikaze soldiers for Islam, they sure as hell came to the right state.

Like the joke circulating on the Net says, "We ain't played cowboys an' Moslems yet."

They really must want to be martyrs. That, or they are just plain out of their minds. Invade Alabama ?

87 posted on 07/26/2002 6:09:42 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: bok
The Alabama state flag looks like St Patrick's Cross and not St Andrews.

Whether St. Pat's or St. Andrew's, these Greek crosses are Christian symbols, so Musselman heraldry wouldn't tolerate them. They'd just line up a lot of crescents or something, probably but not necessarily all proper on a field vert.

88 posted on 07/26/2002 6:22:09 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

Alabama style St. Andrews Cross. (for Muslims)

89 posted on 07/26/2002 6:57:04 AM PDT by blam
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To: da_toolman
Thanks to you - your damn right it is!

I'm in a world of sh*t...yes... but I am alive, and I am not afraid.

90 posted on 07/26/2002 7:04:05 AM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: 1bigdictator
Musa Smith is a UGA running back.

And he ain't all that great.
91 posted on 07/26/2002 7:38:56 AM PDT by Guillermo
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To: lentulusgracchus
They really must want to be martyrs. That, or they are just plain out of their minds. Invade Alabama?

There is a cell of these folks here in NC. But they stay in big cities and around populated areas. I think if it got out to some of the folks out in the country areas of NC that there might be a terrorist training camp out in the woods, it'd be a race between the national guard and the citizenry who got to them first. And for the Islamic group's sake, it better be the national guard

92 posted on 07/26/2002 7:50:30 AM PDT by billbears
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To: snippy_about_it
I didn't say that it wasn't happening, but merely that it will be used to take away our firearms. You may disagree, but we'll see in due time.
93 posted on 07/26/2002 7:54:26 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: habaes corpussel
Yeah, I'm sure that they came into the country requesting Visas and the ATF granted them machine gun liscences plus concealed carry permits.
94 posted on 07/26/2002 8:11:08 AM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: FreedomFriend
You sir have hit the truth and the nail on the head and it scares the hell out of me that this story is so buried. No mention on Fox, the commie news channels or any of our local news channels. It just shows the indifference of the American public and media and when we get whacked again, then it will become a big deal. The only national program that covered this was the Michael Savage show. God help us all when these trainees strike.
95 posted on 07/26/2002 8:24:17 AM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: FreedomPoster
A good friend of mine is Chinese and told me that during WWII he wore a large cardboard sign around his neck proclaiming that "I am CHINESE NOT JAPANESE" in order to avoid getting beaten up. In his opinion the Japanese were done a favor by being interred.
I believe you are right and that it may not be long before the average muslim is begging for protection.
96 posted on 07/26/2002 8:55:18 AM PDT by conqueror
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
The only national program that covered this was the Michael Savage show.

Did he really? Darn, I missed it. His show has been encore presentations for the prior 2 days so I didn't tune in thinking he was on vacation. How was his coverage of the story?

97 posted on 07/26/2002 9:00:41 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: blam
Looks like Marion is NW of Selma.


Yep. Smack dab in the middle of nowhere. Don't know why this img link won't show:

http://maps.yahoo.com/py/pmap.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=&csz=Marion,+AL&city=Marion&state=AL&csz=Marion,+AL&slt=32.632408&sln=-87.320000&zip=&country=us&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=6&cs=8&name=&desc=&ds=g

98 posted on 07/26/2002 9:36:36 AM PDT by Tunehead54
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To: freeperfromnj
Mike was all over it last night. He hammered the main stream media for not making it headline number one. Then said if this doesn't wake up the American peeeeeeeeeople, then they are going to find out just what these evil bastards have in store for us. He ranted from about 8:30 on about this, right after it hit the wires. I'm sure tonight, he'll drop it, since the main stream media doesn't want to seem insennnnnnnnnnnnsitve to Islamic Radicals. After all, they may have just been there to practice against Israel. </sarcasm off, barf alert on
99 posted on 07/26/2002 9:40:34 AM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: c-b 1
Well, I've never seen a true, ie., select-fire AK-47 at any gun show. The semi-auto only Maadis and MAK-90s I've seen at shows run from $400-700, true. But let's not give the McCain types anything to go on. Most gun shows do not sell full-auto weapons like the real AK-47. Sorry 'bout my being a stickler.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

100 posted on 07/26/2002 1:16:16 PM PDT by wku man
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