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Have Anti-Father Family Court Policies Led to a Men's Marriage Strike?
GlennSacks.com ^ | 07/05/02 | Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson

Posted on 07/07/2002 10:55:29 PM PDT by FreedomFriend

Kathleen is attractive, successful, witty, and educated. She also can't find a husband. Why? Because most of the men this thirty-something software analyst dates do not want to get married. These men have Peter Pan Syndrome--they refuse to commit, refuse to settle down, and refuse to "grow up."

However, given the family court policies and divorce trends of today, Peter Pan is no naive boy, but instead a wise man.

"Why should I get married and have kids when I could lose those kids and most of what I've worked for at a moment's notice?" asks Dan, a 31 year-old power plant technician who says he will never marry. "I've seen it happen to many of my friends. I know guys who came home one day to an empty house or apartment--wife gone, kids gone. They never saw it coming. Some of them were never able to see their kids regularly again."

The US marriage rate has dipped 40% over the past four decades, to its lowest point ever. There are many plausible explanations for this trend, but one of the least mentioned is that American men, in the face of a family court system which is hopelessly stacked against them, have subconsciously launched a "marriage strike."

It is not difficult to see why. Let's say that Dan defies Peter Pan, marries Kathleen, and has two children. There is a 50% likelihood that this marriage will end in divorce within eight years, and if it does the odds are two to one that it will be Kathleen, not Dan, who initiates the divorce. It may not matter that Dan was a decent husband--studies show that few divorces are initiated over abuse or because the man has already abandoned the family. Nor is adultery cited as a factor by divorcing women appreciably more than by divorcing men.

While the courts may grant Dan and Kathleen joint legal custody, the odds are overwhelming that it is Kathleen, not Dan, who will win physical custody. Over night Dan, accustomed to seeing his kids every day and being an integral part of their lives, will become a "14 percent dad"--a father who is allowed to spend only one out of every 7 days with his own children.

Once divorced, odds are at least even that Dan's ex-wife will interfere with his visitation rights. Three-quarters of divorced men surveyed say their ex-wives have interfered with their visitation, and 40% of mothers studied admitted that they had done so, and that they had generally acted out of spite or in order to punish their exes.

Kathleen will keep the house and most of the couple's assets. Dan will need to set up a new residence and pay at least a third of his take home pay to Kathleen in child support.

As bad as all of this is, it would still make Dan one of the lucky ones. After all, he could be one of those fathers who cannot see his children at all because his ex has made a false accusation of domestic violence, child abuse, or child molestation. Or a father who can only see his own children under supervised visitation or in nightmarish visitation centers where dads are treated like criminals.

He could be one of those fathers whose ex has moved their children hundreds or thousands of miles away, in violation of court orders which courts often do not enforce. He could be one of those fathers who tears up his life and career again and again in order to follow his children, only to have his ex-wife continually move them.

He could be one of the fathers who has lost his job, seen his income drop, or suffered a disabling injury, only to have child support arrearages and interest pile up to create a mountain of debt which he could never hope to pay off. Or a father who is forced to pay 70% or 80% of his income in child support because the court has imputed an unrealistic income to him. Or a dad who suffers from one of the child support enforcement system's endless and difficult to correct errors, or who is jailed because he cannot keep up with his payments. Or a dad who reaches old age impoverished because he lost everything he had in a divorce when he was middle-aged and did not have the time and the opportunity to earn it back.

"It's a shame," Dan says. "I always wanted to be a father and have a family. But unless the laws change and give fathers the same right to be a part of their children's lives as mothers have, it just isn't worth the risk."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: clintonlegacy; divorce; divorcecourt; divorcelawyer; donutwatch; familycourt; fathersrights; golddiggers; lawyer; marriagestrike; moneywhores; visitation
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To: FreedomFriend
I had a conversation with a guy from Korea who was in an arranged marriage ---he had pictures of himself and his wife when they were 2 years old when the arrangement was made by their parents. He defended family arranged marriages because marriage isn't about infatuation or romance but providing a family for children. He made good points --that parents will be very careful about the background of someone they choose for their children, they choose within their own social circle and so the spouses will be raised with similar values. He said they have a much lower divorce rate than Americans who basically marry strangers they meet and think they fell in love with, our marriages are based on looks and whatever else but family arranged marriages are based on more solid grounds.
101 posted on 07/08/2002 8:27:22 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
My father thinks that family-arranged marraiges are not that bad, and that they would actually be an asset.
102 posted on 07/08/2002 8:56:48 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
Kathleen will keep the house and most of the couple's assets. Dan will need to set up a new residence and pay at least a third of his take home pay to Kathleen in child support.

Not to mention that every time Dan does something to tick her off Kathleen will drag his butt back into court to raise the child support or adjust the visitation rights etc. And that business about 1/3 of his take home pay going to child support...that's if he's lucky. My stepson was ordered to pay 20% MORE than he was making and when he informed the judge of this he was told tough...get a better job. And Dan will probably have to pay Kathleen's legal expenses too. She and her lawyers make life a living hell for him and he gets to fund the process.

Any doubts as to why marriage is in trouble??? We have the Family Court system to thank for this.

103 posted on 07/08/2002 9:07:16 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: FreedomFriend
I know of people over 30 who will go to a complete stranger and pay for match-making. Maybe there's something to be said for those societies where the parents carefully select among their friends and then raise the children with the idea that they have a mate. In the case of this guy, he always knew his bride, he wasn't forced to marry her but all his life he knew her and had that expectation. They seemed very compatible and happy. It certainly can't be worse than the way many here will go to a bar and look for possible mates among complete strangers but sometimes that does work.
104 posted on 07/08/2002 9:09:52 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FreedomFriend
Hi there FF. Gotta disagree with you about churches in the South. Just a quick true story. My mother's best friend was married to a Pentecostal minister. Good looking man in every way. She was a Baptist, and went to her Baptist church. Well, after many, many years of marriage, she found out that hubby had many many groupies within his church. It seems that this happens a lot in that particular sector of Protestantism. Have nothing against them; just my observations. Pentecostal preachers seem to have this rock star quality about them. Remember Jimmy Swaggert and Jim Bakker?
105 posted on 07/08/2002 9:36:13 PM PDT by GaConfed
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To: southland
RE 45: Hurting the woman is really not an option.

I understand. But you were raised in a different time under different rules. These days children are being taught in public schools that life has no meaning, killing babies is fine, killing old people is fine, even killing your school mates can be ok. Ethics are entirely relative and there is no right or wrong. My comments were directed towards these kids of the last 10 years or so. We are in a world of hurt when these boys start getting screwed over in divorce.

GSA(P)

106 posted on 07/09/2002 5:56:43 AM PDT by John O
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To: Don Myers
There are always stories going around about adultery in the churches. I understand that even at the Christian Colleges, there are couples who are living together. It goes on and on.

you are apparently hanging around the wrong churches. If adultery is known and not confronted (by the pastor and elders) then the church is headed in the wrong direction.

I know of two churches (at least) in my area where known adultery (or other public sin) is not tolerated at all.

GSA(P)

107 posted on 07/09/2002 6:09:52 AM PDT by John O
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To: stryker
AMEN and AMEN!

My wife and I also came to the understanding that marriage is forever. The only way out is to die. And since we both promised not to kill each other the only option for us is to make our marriage work.

Now we've been married 15 years (in August) and while life isn't perfect we still have a marriage that makes most people who know us (or even know of us) envious. Life can be grand if you decide to make it so. Of course we could not do it with Christ being the senior partner in the marriage.

GSA(P)

108 posted on 07/09/2002 6:13:12 AM PDT by John O
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To: John O
"you are apparently hanging around the wrong churches."

I have stopped hanging around in them. They go their way, and I go mine.

109 posted on 07/09/2002 6:15:36 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: FreedomFriend
He could be one of those fathers whose ex has moved their children hundreds or thousands of miles away, in violation of court orders which courts often do not enforce. He could be one of those fathers who tears up his life and career again and again in order to follow his children, only to have his ex-wife continually move them. He could be one of the fathers who has lost his job, seen his income drop, or suffered a disabling injury, only to have child support arrearages and interest pile up to create a mountain of debt which he could never hope to pay off. Or a father who is forced to pay 70% or 80% of his income in child support because the court has imputed an unrealistic income to him. Or a dad who suffers from one of the child support enforcement system's endless and difficult to correct errors, or who is jailed because he cannot keep up with his payments. Or a dad who reaches old age impoverished because he lost everything he had in a divorce when he was middle-aged and did not have the time and the opportunity to earn it back.

Sad and true.

110 posted on 07/09/2002 6:38:49 AM PDT by thepitts
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To: goldenstategirl
"This doesn't mean I think you and everyone else here are that way too and I certainly don't hate all men for it. I like men and I am happy being female, but I am not going to set myself up as a de facto prostitute for some of those guys out there, because that is exactly what they want. At least prostitutes get paid. Instead, I just don't go out much at all. I'm tired of being treated badly."

I second that!!!

111 posted on 07/09/2002 7:22:34 AM PDT by SCalGal
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To: GaConfed
I'm a Baptist, and I've seen little of which you talk.
112 posted on 07/09/2002 9:11:49 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend; Paulie; TomGuy; Regulator; Reaganwuzthebest; Fish out of Water; Marine Inspector; ...
P I N G !!!
113 posted on 07/13/2002 9:33:12 PM PDT by J.R.R. Tolkien
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To: J.R.R. Tolkien
Have Anti-Father Family Court Policies Led to a Men's Marriage Strike?

It's a safe guess to say that these policies have had an effect.

114 posted on 07/13/2002 9:35:16 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: FreedomFriend
I don't see how a woman can say she loves her children and then use them for spite against her husband. A child needs all the love he/she can get from all their family members.

What I have seen in a few people's marriage, where the problem is the woman, is her demand for him to make her happy, while she hangs on with every fiber of her being to misery. Gad talk about mission impossible, no sane person would want the job.

115 posted on 07/13/2002 11:02:17 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: J.R.R. Tolkien
thanks for the spam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take me off your list!!!!!!!

116 posted on 07/13/2002 11:04:36 PM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: RIGHT IN SEATTLE
You are off.

In more respects than one, if you know what I'm saying.

120 posted on 07/13/2002 11:10:50 PM PDT by J.R.R. Tolkien
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