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Mixed reaction in Texas to Supreme Court decision - Regarding ban on executing mentally retarded
Associated Press ^ | June 20, 2002 | Associated Press Staff

Posted on 06/20/2002 3:01:56 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP


Mixed reaction in Texas to Supreme Court decision

06/20/2002

Associated Press

AUSTIN - Supporters of a ban on executing the mentally retarded in Texas were jubilant Thursday after a divided U.S. Supreme Court ruled that such executions are unconstitutionally cruel.

Opponents, meanwhile, initially reacted with silence, saying they needed more time to review the high court decision.

"I'm elated," said state Sen. Rodney Ellis, a Houston Democrat who last year filed a bill to ban the execution of the mentally retarded in Texas that was vetoed by Republican Gov. Rick Perry.

Ellis told The Associated Press that he planned to file the exact same piece of legislation in January and believed it would again pass both chambers in light of Thursday's high court ruling.

"Just as we don't execute children in this country or in this state, we ought not execute someone who has the mind of a child," Ellis said.

Neither Perry or state Attorney General John Cornyn immediately commented.

"This is great news. It's a milestone in narrowing the use of capital punishment in this country," said Jim Harrington, director of the Texas Civil Rights Project. "It will have a great impact on how we administer the death penalty in Texas."

Texas is one of 20 states that allowed the execution of the retarded before the high court ruling.

The ruling means that in the future, people arrested for a killing will not face a potential death sentence if they can show they are retarded, generally defined as having an IQ of 70 or lower.

The court left it to states to develop their own systems to ensure that mentally retarded people are not executed.

Perry vetoed a bill last year that would have allowed a jury to determine during a trial's punishment phase whether a defendant was mentally retarded. If so, the sentence would have been life in prison.

Under that bill, if the jury found a person was not mentally retarded, a defense attorney could petition the judge to consider the issue. Two experts would be assigned to make a determination. If the evidence showed the person to be mentally retarded, the judge would be required to issue a life sentence.

Perry said the bill took too much power away from the jury and gave it to the judge.

After his veto last June, Perry said he believed Texas statute would stand even if the Supreme Court banned the execution of the mentally retarded.

"We do not allow for the execution of the mentally retarded today," Perry said at the time.

That was an argument Ellis said he expected will linger.

"There are some who will say we don't executive the mentally retarded now. Well, my question would be, 'why would you be opposed to a ban on it then?'," Ellis said. "We need to get this issue behind us and not try to deny reality."

Current Texas law says a jury must decide if a defendant is competent to stand trial, including whether the defendant can aid in his own defense, and whether a defendant was insane, unable to distinguish right from wrong, when the crime was committed.

Jurors also can consider retardation as a mitigating circumstance during sentencing.

The Texas Department of Criminal Justice did not immediately know many inmates on death row would be affected and was waiting further direction from the courts, said spokesman Larry Todd.

"No one will be automatically commuted to life," Todd said Thursday.

Harrington estimated 68 inmates, or 15 percent of the 455 people on death row, could be considered mentally retarded under the Supreme Court ruling.

In April, a third Texas jury determined convicted killer John Paul Penry was mentally competent to stand trial despite an IQ in the 50s.

Penry, who tests show has the intellectual ability of a 6- or 7-year-old, has spent nearly half his life locked up for killing Pamela Moseley Carpenter.

The U.S. Supreme Court had blocked three recent scheduled Texas executions of convicts who claimed to be mentally retarded.

One of the nation's busiest death penalty states, Texas has executed 16 people this year.

Before the Supreme Court Ruling, the Death Penalty Information Center claimed Texas has executed six mentally retarded inmates since 1982, a number disputed by death penalty proponents.

Messages left Thursday with the Houston-based victims' rights group Justice for All were not immediately returned.


Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/texassouthwest/stories/062002dntextexasreaxscotus.c2b04.html


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
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I'd be interested to hear FReeper's reasoned comments pro and con on this.
I'll post a link regarding the John Paul Penry murder in a minute. Thanks, folks.

1 posted on 06/20/2002 3:01:56 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
Knowing Right from Wrong
http://www.houstonpress.com/issues/2001-03-08/feature.html/1/index.html

Excerpt from this John Paul Penry article:

While Penry made sure no one was coming, Carpenter grabbed the pair of orange-handled scissors she had been using to make Halloween decorations and stabbed them into Penry's back. Penry then knocked the scissors out of her hand and pushed her to the floor. While she was on her way down, Penry whacked Carpenter's head on the stove. As she lay on the kitchen floor, Penry then stomped her with his work boots.

"We verified that later, because she had a perfect heel print on her side where he'd stomped her while she was on her stomach. It ruptured her kidney, and that's what actually killed her."

But Carpenter wasn't dead yet, nor was Penry through. After stomping her, he got down on the floor and raped her.

"Then he got up and went across the room and picked up those damn scissors," says Price. "Came back, sat down on her stomach and said, 'I'm sorry, but I've got to do this.' Said something about he couldn't have her squealing on him. And then he buried the scissors in her chest." That act, says Price, was a clear indication that Penry knew he had done something wrong and that he was in big trouble.

Even then, the notoriously strong-willed Carpenter refused to die.

"He thought that would kill her instantly," says Price, "but she reached up and pulled the goddamn scissors out. When she did that, it scared him and he jumped up and ran out of the house."

Carpenter managed to pull herself across the room to the telephone. First she called a friend, and then an ambulance. At the hospital, emergency room doctors were aware of only the stab wound. They mended the hole in Carpenter's chest and thought they had her stabilized. But when a catheter was inserted, her damaged kidney began hemorrhaging. Pam Carpenter immediately went into shock and died.
2 posted on 06/20/2002 3:02:31 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
The words that immediately come to mind I cannot embellish here, because they would get me banned.

I will say, however, that sick monsters like Penry are laughing at us, and giving us the finger. The only thing I can see is perhaps putting these "retarded" guys in with the general population with zero protection and see how they fare.

3 posted on 06/20/2002 3:11:51 PM PDT by Houmatt
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4 posted on 06/20/2002 3:14:43 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
Its a terrible decision, badly reasoned as Justice Scalia's brilliant dissent shows.

But its also a bad result for retarded people, since the decision assumes that they cannot conform their behavior to societal norms. I don't disrespect the retarded in this manner, and neither should our laws.
5 posted on 06/20/2002 3:19:08 PM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: MeeknMing
There is another thread located here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/703331/posts
that I think has the best perspective that I have seen so far.

Although I don't support the death penalty, I am having trouble supporting this decision in that it creates another special class of people.

I thought the law was suppose to apply equally to all people.

6 posted on 06/20/2002 3:24:14 PM PDT by Kerberos
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To: All

The decision at a glance

06/20/2002

From Staff and Wire Reports

In a six-to-three ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled says executing the mentally retarded violates the Constitution.

The majority opinion reflects changes in public attitudes since the court declared such executions constitutional in 1989. Back then, only two states that used capital punishment outlawed it for the retarded.

Now, 18 states prohibit it.

Chief Justice William Rehnquist, Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas dissented. They made their views known earlier this month, when they complained about reprieves the court majority had given to two Texas inmates who claim they're retarded.

In today's decision, the court ruled in favor of a Virginia inmate who was convicted of a 1996 killing. His lawyers say he has an I-Q of 59 and has never lived on his own or held a job.

At least 20 Texas death row inmates have raised mental retardation as an issue in their case at trial or on appeal and their sentences may be subject to review in light of the Supreme Court's decision prohibiting execution of the mentally retarded.

KEY ELEMENTS OF THURSDAY'S SUPREME COURT DECISION:

Says that the execution of mentally retarded inmates is unconstitutionally cruel. (Mental retardation is generally defined as having an IQ of 70 or lower.)

Leaves it to the states to develop their own systems to ensure that mentally retarded people are not executed.

The court used state laws as a barometer, but also went beyond them to look at why mentally retarded killers are different than killers of normal intelligence, and whether any wider social purpose is served by executing them. Executing mentally retarded people neither appropriately punishes the criminal nor serves as a deterrent to future crimes, the majority found. Many mentally retarded defendants know right from wrong, but they are more likely to act on impulse or to be swayed by others in a group, they said.

Three justices dissented: Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. In a rare dissent read from the bench, Justice Scalia said the majority hung a constitutionally suspect ruling on the slim reed of recent state lawmaking. Thursday's ruling is not grounded either in the Constitution nor in current social attitudes about the death penalty, he said. Chief Justice Rehnquist said the majority went too far in looking at factors beyond the state laws and put too much stock in opinion polls and the views of national and international observers.

WHO DID AND WHO DIDN'T

Thursday's Supreme Court ruling will affect execution laws in 20 states that allowed execution of mentally retarded inmates, although some had not performed such executions in years. The 20 states are: Texas, Alabama, California, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Nevada, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Wyoming, Utah and Virginia.

Eighteen states allowed executions, but prohibited the execution of mentally retarded inmates. They are: Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee and Washington.

The other states prohibited executions altogether.

The federal government already prohibited execution of mentally retarded people.

THE TEXAS SYSTEM

Now, after a jury finds an offender guilty of capital murder, it hears testimony and delivers a verdict on whether there are mitigating circumstances, including mental retardation, that lessen the offender's culpability. If the jury decides there are mitigating circumstances, the death penalty is eliminated and a life sentence is automatically imposed.

Under the bill vetoed last year, capital murder defendants would have to present evidence during trial of a history of mental retardation documented prior to adulthood. If the defendant was convicted and the jury rules he was mentally retarded, he would receive a life sentence. If the jury rules against mental retardation, the defense lawyer could immediately appeal the question to the judge, who would have the unusual power of overruling the jury. If the judge agreed that the offender was not mentally retarded, the death penalty would be imposed. If the judge finds mental retardation by a preponderance of the evidence, then a life sentence is mandated.

Gov. Rick Perry said the part of the bill that allowed a judge to overrule the jury was the deciding factor in his decision to veto it. Such a move would have undermined Texas criminal justice system and told Texas citizens that we don't trust them to serve on juries and pass judgment on those who commit society's most horrible crimes.

IMMEDIATELY AFFECTED

At least 20 Texas death row inmates have raised mental retardation as an issue in their case at trial or on appeal and their sentences may be subject to review in light of the Supreme Court's decision prohibiting execution of the mentally retarded. The inmates and the crimes of which they were sentenced to death:

Walter Bell Jr., 48: Robbery and murder of Ferd Chisum in Port Arthur in 1974. Mr. Bell's original death sentence for the slaying of Mr. Chisum's wife, Irene, has already been commuted to life.

Darrell Carr, 32: Slaying of 16-year-old Priscilla Rangel during a convenience store robbery in Houston in 1991.

Brian Davis, 33: Murder of Michael Alan Foster in Humble in 1991. His execution was scheduled last month but was stayed pending the decision that was handed down Thursday.

Tony Dixon, 26: Robbery and shooting death of Elizabeth Ann Peavy in Houston in 1994.

Theodore Goynes, 49: Rape/murder of Linda Marie Tucker in Houston in 1990.

Doil Lane, 41: Rape/murder of 8-year-old Bertha Martinez in San Marcos in 1980.

Willie Moddon, 54: Murder of gas station clerk Deborah Davenport during a robbery in Lufkin in 1984. His execution was stayed earlier this month pending the decision that came down Thursday.

Bobby Moore, 42: Slaying of James McCarble during a 1980 grocery store robbery in Houston.

Curtis Moore, 34: Abduction and shooting deaths of Roderick Moore, Latasha Boone and Henry Truevillen in Fort Worth in 1995. His execution was stayed last month pending the decision that came down Thursday.

John Paul Penry, 46: Rape and stabbing death of Pamela Moseley Carpenter in Livingston in 1979. The punishment phase of Mr. Penry's conviction is being retried for the third time in Montgomery County.

Anthony Pierce, 42: Murder of Fred Johnson during the robbery of a fast-food restaurant in Houston in 1977.

Michael Richard, 42: Rape/slaying of Marguerite Lucille Dixon in Hockley in 1986.

Steve Rodriguez, 36: Stabbing death of Agnes Herden during the burglary of her home in San Antonio in 1990.

Demetrius Simms, 31: Abduction and murder of 3-year-old Monique Miller in Houston in 1991.

Paul Wayne Slater, 28: Shooting deaths of Rodderick Martin and Glenn Andrews in Houston in 1995.

Exzavier Lamont Stevenson, 34: Shooting deaths of Khalid Masroor and Syed Mehdi at a Houston convenience store in 2000.

Alberto Valdez, 46: Slaying of Corpus Christi police officer Joseph Bock in 1987.

Jeffery Demond Williams, 26: Shooting death of Houston police officer Troy Blando in 1999.

Bobby Wayne Woods, 36: Sexual assault and murder of 11 year old Sarah Patterson in Granbury in 1997

Kevin Lee Zimmerman, 41: Stabbing death of Leslie Gilbert Hooks, Jr. in Beaumont in 1987.

TEXAS POLL
Should the state execute inmates considered mentally retarded?
Spring 2002 Winter 2001 Fall 1988
Yes 20% 17% 11%
No 65% 66% 73%
Source: The Scripps Howard Data Center surveyed 1,000 Texans by telephone May 20-June 9. Undecided responses are not included. Margin of error: plus or minus 3 percentage points

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/texassouthwest/stories/062002dntexdecisionglance.213783c.html

7 posted on 06/20/2002 3:25:04 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
This ruling stinks.

Low intelligence does not preclude moral accountability.

8 posted on 06/20/2002 3:27:04 PM PDT by LibKill
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To: MeeknMing
"Just as we don't execute children in this country or in this state, we ought not execute someone who has the mind of a child," Ellis said.

I'm pretty sure Ellis is a huge advocate for executing children. He would just rather defend some murdering rapist than innocent human life.

9 posted on 06/20/2002 3:29:56 PM PDT by DrewsDad
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To: MeeknMing
RETARDS WHO MURDER SHOULD DIE. Plain and simple. Same goes with children. If they are old enough, and mentally capable enough, to murder someone, then they are capable of paying for their crimes.
10 posted on 06/20/2002 3:29:59 PM PDT by fogarty
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To: LibKill
The reasoning behind this ruling does far more harm to our society than any of these murderers could hope to do themselves. It's official: Public opinion is the LAW of the land. This will effect us down the road in many ways, none of them good.
11 posted on 06/20/2002 3:59:37 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: MeeknMing
I'm having trouble trying to figure out where this leaves us. The idea of a murderer having to possibly prove he/she is mentally retarded to avoid the death penalty is uncomfortable. And, is a person's IQ a constant or a variable? I don't know...is some slick lawyer going to argue that teenagers acting like idiots when they get together have substantially lower IQs? And that caused them to murder? Can fanatacism, drugs, booze, being mesermized by media lower IQ? Again, I don't know. But I do know that in many cases IQ can be raised in positive, supportive environments.

Geeze, a dog that can't be trained not to kill is put to death. Are we demanding more of pets than people?

Add that to the fact that it would be better right now if McVeigh were alive, to ask him about John Doe #2 or possible Arab terrorist involvement in his acts. And that abortion is not considered murder.

I'm terribly conflicted about all of this. Maybe it's time to say the death penalty just isn't viable.

12 posted on 06/20/2002 4:20:00 PM PDT by grania
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Thanks for all the detailed info.

This is a bad decision. I worked for several years in a group home for retarded adults, and I agree that the retarded are not exactly like anybody else. However, there are two points here:

A real effort has been made to portray many of these people as organically retarded, when what they really suffer from is severe cultural deprivation (i.e., growing up in the home of a drug-using welfare mother). They function at the same level, with regard to impulse control, etc., but there's a difference. Low functioning people of normal intelligence know what's right and wrong, and I think that's been demonstrated again and again. In fact, people with the functional level of a 4 or 5 year old are aware of the concepts of right and wrong.

The other point is that the retarded are now expected to function in society, with no restrictions. (Once upon a time, there were residential programs for them, and their lives were fairly controlled.) If you are a functioning member of society, you get the freedom and benefits - and you also get the responsibility. One of these responsibilities is that of not murdering your fellow members of society.

Consequently, either the retarded should be brought back into situations where they are under heavy control, or they should, as are the rest of us, be responsible for their actions. You can't have it both ways.
13 posted on 06/20/2002 4:22:25 PM PDT by livius
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To: Kerberos
I do not care if I am banned or not! We ALL know who these ("FOLKS") so called morons are. One famous boxer, who got his sorry moron ass beaten in his last figh, has a low I.Q. and has done time for rape and violent acts. Should we have let him off because he has a six grade mental level? I don't think so. Spitting Jessie and Crying Sharpton must be laughing their sorry asses off at the stupid white idiot bleeding hearts that are sorry for all the moronic criminals that are going to get a walk from here out. We be gonna be feeding a bunch of rapist criminal type for a long time. Snuffing them out would be a lot cheaper!!!!
14 posted on 06/20/2002 4:23:42 PM PDT by Lewite
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To: MeeknMing
I'm sure that it will be of comfort to the survivors the the victims that, while the killer was capable enough to murder their loved one, he is too stupid to be put to death for it. The extreme left wing, ultra-liberals will now push for concepts like temporary retardedness, situational retardation, reversable retardation and the retarded court, when shown polls that support the claim, will go with the wind.

This will only encourage claims of special consideration for every killer on death row. "He must have been temporaily retarded because he butchered those fast food workers in such a vicious way." "They were momentarily retarded as a result of years of the residual effects of slavery." Mumia, the cop killer, will now claim that situational diminished mental capacity equaling retardation and caused by the pressures of a racist white society killed the cop, not him.

15 posted on 06/20/2002 4:25:23 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: MeeknMing
Since when is it constitutional to discriminate against people with high IQ?
16 posted on 06/20/2002 4:30:20 PM PDT by StACase
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To: MeeknMing
England stopped executing the mentally retarded in 1814, America shouldn't have the death penalty in the first place, but it is nice to see we are slowly catching up with the standards of 19th century.

Most of these people shouldn't be out on the street in the first place, they belong in insane asylums, this Liberal crap that the mentally retarded and insane have the right to live in society where they can harm themselves and others is shit.
17 posted on 06/20/2002 4:34:15 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: MeeknMing
Western common law requires two elements be present for successful prosecution of a crime: mens rea, or criminal intent, and actus reas, a criminal act. The act is criminal at statute or at equity, but is generally conceded in a case like this.

The proof of criminal intent is much more subjective. It involves determining if the defendant is capable of forming INTENT or RECKLESSNESS. If we concede that the crime was voluntary, then we rule out recklessness, which is passive. It only remains to prove intent.

The claim is advanced that retarded persons are incapable of forming criminal intent, since they are functionally unaware of the consequences of their actions, or that their actions may cause harm.

That then is the argument that protects retarded persons from the death penalty.

I believe that the victim of a retarded person is just as dead as the victim of a thoroughly competent murderer. I also believe that true justice demands retribution from the criminal. Therefore, I would disregard intent, and would apply the same penalties to the retarded person I would apply to the competent. I would sentence the murderer to death, and would execute him with no remorse.

The world does not need to coddle murderers, regardless of their mental innocence. I would apply the same strictures to children.

By the way, most states require that extreme aggravating circumstances be proven before the death penalty can be applied. That alone would protect a retarded person, unless the crime was committed repeatedly or wantonly, which would belie a defense of reduced capacity.

18 posted on 06/20/2002 4:37:52 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: MeeknMing
As soon as Texans figure out the ruling, I think we will see mixed reactions. parsy.
19 posted on 06/20/2002 4:44:02 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: MeeknMing
Although I disagree with this decision, I do have mixed reactions. I find it interesting that it is another sock in the jaw to the reputation of Bill Clinton. Governor Clinton took time out of his 1992 campaign for president to go back to Arkansas to personally oversee the execution of a mentally-limited prisoner. This man was so out of it that he thought, as he was being led to his execution, that he would be returning to finish the rest of his "final meal."

I wonder if anyone on TV news will point this out?

20 posted on 06/20/2002 4:46:52 PM PDT by RickGee
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