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TANCREDO, IMMIGRATION REFORM CAUCUS TO CALL FOR TROOPS ON BORDER
Immigration Reform Caucus ^ | 6/17/02 | Immigration Reform Caucus

Posted on 06/17/2002 1:50:25 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan

STEIN REPORT XXXXX Monday, June 17 2002 14:53:17 EDT XXXXX

TANCREDO, IMMIGRATION REFORM CAUCUS TO CALL FOR TROOPS ON BORDER

Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) and other members of the House Immigration Reform Caucus will announce a new border security initiative at a press conference tomorrow. See the Immigration Reform Caucus release for more information.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crime; illegalimmigration; immigrant; immigrantlist; invasion; nationalsecurity
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To: Tancredo Fan;sarcasm
I stand with Tancredo. Lets do it while we still have American troops in America.

This isn't going to sit well with Bush. What is he going to do with all of those houses that we are going to have to pay for so that he can provide the American dream to them?

ADIOS JORGE!!

21 posted on 06/17/2002 2:53:01 PM PDT by Brownie74
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To: usadave
It's amazing how much resistance there is to this idea. Apparently, many of the "close the borders NOW" folks are perfectly content to leave a bunch of soldiers out in the desert Southwest with little supervision, lots of temptation, and little clear mission. They don't want to have the military do what it CAN do effectively; they prefer it to do what it's manifestly NOT intended to do and leave the problems that drive illegal immigration in place and unsolved.

They want to stick a band-aid on a cancerous lesion.

22 posted on 06/17/2002 2:54:47 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Free the USA; Seamole; Sauropod,blackie;Jeff Head;1234; E.G.C.; DLfromthedesert; Eustace...
Action Alert ping
23 posted on 06/17/2002 3:21:21 PM PDT by madfly
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To: Poohbah
A clear mission.....that's easy. 1. Look through binoculars 2. spot illegals 3. spin 'em around 180 degrees. 4. boot 'em in the a$$ What could be more simple than that?
24 posted on 06/17/2002 3:22:22 PM PDT by taxed2death
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To: Poohbah
It's amazing how much resistance there is to this idea. Apparently, many of the "close the borders NOW" folks are perfectly content to leave a bunch of soldiers out in the desert Southwest with little supervision, lots of temptation, and little clear mission. They don't want to have the military do what it CAN do effectively; they prefer it to do what it's manifestly NOT intended to do and leave the problems that drive illegal immigration in place and unsolved.


Looks like you want to let the cancer to continue to grow inside the united states. There will be no government left when the invader takes over. Why is it good enough for South Korea but not good enough for the USA poohbah? The mexican and other misc foreign invaders bring diseases, drugs and crime into this country, i say the military should be placed on the border along the vast open spaces, you deter terrorist and illegals from crossing with heavily armed U.S. troops and armored. vehicles.

25 posted on 06/17/2002 3:27:54 PM PDT by bok
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To: taxed2death
Uh-huh.

What you're describing is a civil law enforcement mission, NOT a military mission.

And what follows after that is that the mission will get progressively less clear as time goes on. There will be a few "unfortunate incidents" early on, where a US citizen gets shot because of unclear ROEs. The ROEs will be "clarified," which will in turn make the original mission less clear. (You have to have been in the Big Green Machine to understand how this works.)

Eventually, you will have soldiers being offered bribes--and more than a few taking them. At that point, you might as well write off the USA, because once the military goes bad, it's a hop, skip, and a jump to the final collapse.

26 posted on 06/17/2002 3:29:53 PM PDT by Poohbah
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(From main link)

TANCREDO, CONGRESSIONAL IMMIGRATION REFORM CAUCUS UNVEIL MAJOR U.S. BORDER PROTECTION INITIATIVE

Calls on President to Place Troops on U.S. Border

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo (R-CO), Chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, and several Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus Members will call on the President to immediately deploy troops along the U.S. border, as well as unveil a major border protection initiative during a press conference on Capitol Hill next Tuesday, June 18th at 1:00PM.

WHO:     U.S. Representatives Tom Tancredo (R-CO),
Rep. Jim Ramstad (R-MN),       
Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA),
Rep. Marge Roukema (R-NJ),
Rep. John Shadegg (R-AZ),
Rep. Nathan Deal (I-GA)
and other Members of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus

SPECIAL GUEST: Bill King, Chief Patrol Agent, U.S. Border Patrol (Ret.)

WHAT: Press Conference to unveil border protection initiative; call on President to deploy troops along the U.S. border

WHEN: Tuesday, June 18th, 2002 at 1:00PM EDT

WHERE:  House Triangle 

According to a recent study conducted by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), more than 700,000 illegal immigrants enter the U.S. per year – resulting in 1,918 per day, 80 per hour and more than 1 per minute. In other words, since the September 11th attack, approximately 481,418 people have entered the U.S. illegally.

Immigration Reform Caucus' Background and Agenda  

With the events of September 11th, in the second session of the 107th Congress, the caucus will no doubt continue to establish the link between open borders, unregulated immigration and the potential for terrorism. In addition, the caucus will push legislative proposals which will help secure America’s borders, including the creation of a comprehensive visa tracking system such as H.R. 3525, and meaningful reform of the INS. Though many members of the caucus continue to support a true guestworker program, most will continue to vehemently oppose any program in the 107th Congress that results in amnesty for illegal immigrants.

The Immigration Reform Caucus was established to review current immigration policy, propose new immigration policies and provide a forum in Congress for addressing the positive and negative consequences of our immigration policies.

During the 107th Congress, the Caucus hopes to focus on three primary areas, illegal immigration, legal immigration and voter reform.


27 posted on 06/17/2002 3:31:24 PM PDT by madfly
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To: Tancredo Fan
BTTT!
28 posted on 06/17/2002 3:31:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Poohbah
Why not American troops at the border to offset the Mexican troops at the border?

According to my friend who lives 8 or 9 miles from the border in SouthEastern Arizona, they are seeing more border crossers from Poland and Eastern Europe. The current story they are getting from the crossers is that for 7 to 10 grand, potential immigrants from Poland, Moscow, or Rumania can fly to Mexico City, be bussed to the American border and promised crossing. If unsuccessful and turned back, Mexican police will provide a different crossing. And the price includes a bus ticket to Chicago or Detroit.

29 posted on 06/17/2002 3:33:29 PM PDT by edger
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To: bok
Looks like you want to let the cancer to continue to grow inside the united states.

There will be no government left when the invader takes over.

Sticking soldiers on the border is a recipe for hastening

We can survive some corrupt cops. We cannot survive having a military where some members are taking bribes. That's an inevitable consequence of putting military assets into law enforcement roles.

Why is it good enough for South Korea but not good enough for the USA poohbah?

I was not aware that several mechanized armies were poised on the Rio Grande, ready to storm across the border at any minute. However, my solution to Korea, free of outside considerations (like the PRC) would be to invade the North and remove Kim Jong-Il's regime from power.

Armies work very well at stopping armies or invading other countries to remove their governments. They work very badly at this mission.

The mexican and other misc foreign invaders bring diseases, drugs and crime into this country, i say the military should be placed on the border along the vast open spaces, you deter terrorist and illegals from crossing with heavily armed U.S. troops and armored. vehicles.

We don't have enough troops for the job--and we aren't, as a nation, willing to pay the price (both monetary and philosophical--as I indicated, I do not like the idea of using military forces for law enforcement).

If you think a military response is needed, then use that force correctly.

30 posted on 06/17/2002 3:35:50 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: gubamyster
Why wait until 2004? I say Tancredo now - to replace Ziglar!

Speaking of Ziglar, I was reading an interesting article about him in a Mexican propaganda rag today (Spanish language La Opinion). Here's a rough translation of the swill he's peddling to the likes of the AILA. Funny that the mainstream press avoids these stories. Take note as to what Gustavo Mohar has to say.

31 posted on 06/17/2002 3:36:15 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: edger
Why not American troops at the border to offset the Mexican troops at the border?

How many Mexican troops, across how wide a front?

32 posted on 06/17/2002 3:36:56 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Destructor;umgud
Cool! Where do we send money to support them?

According to a letter from Congressman Tancredo, but mailed by the U.S Immigration Reform PAC (USIRP) -- not mailed at government expense, "to elect more people to Congress committed to ending mass immigration" contributions can be sent to:

USIRP
P.O. Box 12024
Arlington, Virginia 22219

And just to be complete, the usual note on the bottom of the contribution card reads: "Individuals can contribute a maximum of $5,000 to a political action committee each year. Contributions are NOT tax-deductible for income tax purposes. Federal law requires that the occupation and employer be reported for individuals giving a total of $200 or more in one calendar year. Checks should be made payable to USIRP".

No phone number or web site given in the letter.

33 posted on 06/17/2002 3:40:30 PM PDT by bam
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To: Poohbah
Cong. Tancredo stated recently that there have been over 20 incursions of Mexican troops into our territory ostensibly to provide cover for drug runners. Also, it is a fact that shots have been fired at our Border Patrol during this time frame. If we had real leaders instead of these pansies that run both political parties troops would've been dispatched immediately because those were acts of war and should've been dealt with the full brunt of our military.
35 posted on 06/17/2002 3:52:30 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: american spirit
Cong. Tancredo stated recently that there have been over 20 incursions of Mexican troops into our territory ostensibly to provide cover for drug runners. Also, it is a fact that shots have been fired at our Border Patrol during this time frame. If we had real leaders instead of these pansies that run both political parties troops would've been dispatched immediately because those were acts of war and should've been dealt with the full brunt of our military.

Who's your definition of a "real leader?"

Given how much angst is present over the War Against the Terrorists, AFTER the terrorists killed 3,000 Americans...just how do you think we'd get massive support for hitting Mexico with the "full brunt of our military" over a few episodes that didn't even result in one fatality?

36 posted on 06/17/2002 4:00:00 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Poohbah, I have to agree with you on this issue.As much as I want the borders closed, I see no reasonable way for the military to be the "closing" agency.IMHO, that would be like bringing an A10 to a knife fight.

This is one situation where cutting out the readily identifiable illegal "demand" will solve 90% of the "supply" problem.Simply act on already set up guidelines. Enforcing existing laws against hiring illegal workers would go a loooong way in lowereing the flood of illegal invaders, and make it possible for the border patroll to actually patroll the borders.

While I wish action had been taken years ago,I would rather see what the new combined homeland agency mission shakes out to look like before I start screaming for additional roles for the DOD.They seem to be a little bit busy right now.

38 posted on 06/17/2002 4:12:52 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: Poohbah
Just sticking troops on the border will not accomplish anything and sets a bad precedent.

What pray tell is more central to the fundamental duties of the military than protecting our borders from an invasion?

39 posted on 06/17/2002 4:15:38 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: sarasmom
This is one situation where cutting out the readily identifiable illegal "demand" will solve 90% of the "supply" problem.Simply act on already set up guidelines. Enforcing existing laws against hiring illegal workers would go a loooong way in lowereing the flood of illegal invaders, and make it possible for the border patroll to actually patroll the borders.

We also need to get states to set residency requirements on welfare bennies.

NOTE: this would NOT be based on whether one is an illegal immigrant or not; it would simply be a requirement that to draw public assistance, you would have to have lived in the state for at least 3-5 years (demonstrable with tax returns, et cetera).

One of the funnier things I've seen here in San Diego is a truckload of "day laborers" with an AmericanPatrol.com bumper sticker.

Well, it was funny the first time I saw it. It stopped being funny the second time.

40 posted on 06/17/2002 4:16:16 PM PDT by Poohbah
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