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The Acton-Lee Correspondence (Gen. Robert E. Lee, that is)
Lewrockwell.com ^ | November 4, 1866 | Robert E. Lee and Lord Acton

Posted on 06/08/2002 7:00:43 AM PDT by Korth

Bologna November 4, 1866

Sir,

The very kind letter which Mrs. Lee wrote to my wife last winter encouraged me to hope that you will forgive my presuming to address you, and that you will not resent as an intrusion a letter from an earnest and passionate lover of the cause whose glory and whose strength you were.

I have been requested to furnish private counsel in American affairs for the guidance of the editors of a weekly Review which is to begin at the New Year, and which will be conducted by men who are followers of Mr. Gladstone. You are aware, no doubt, that Mr. Gladstone was in the minority of Lord Palmerston's cabinet who wished to accept the French Emperor's proposal to mediate in the American war.

The reason of the confidence shown in my advice is simply the fact that I formerly traveled in America, and that I afterwards followed the progress of the four years' contest as closely and as keenly as it was possible to do with the partial and unreliable information that reached us. In the momentous questions which have arisen since you sheathed the sword, I have endeavoured to conform my judgment to your own as well as I could ascertain it from the report of your evidence, from the few English travelers who enjoyed the privilege of speaking with you, and especially from General Beauregard, who spoke, as I understood, your sentiments as well as his own. My travels in America never led me south of Maryland, and the only friends to whom I can look for instruction, are Northerners, mostly of Webster's school.

In my emergency, urged by the importance of the questions at issue in the United States, and by the peril of misguided public opinion between our two countries, I therefore seek to appeal to southern authorities, and venture at once to proceed to Headquarters.

If, Sir, you will consent to entertain my request, and will inform me of the light in which you would wish the current politics of America to be understood, I can pledge myself that the new Review shall follow the course which you prescribe and that any communication with which you may honor me shall be kept in strictest confidence, and highly treasured by me. Even should you dismiss my request as unwarranted, I trust you will remember it only as an attempt to break through the barrier of false reports and false sympathies which encloses the views of my countrymen.

It cannot have escaped you that much of the good will felt in England towards the South, so far as it was not simply the tribute of astonishment and admiration won by your campaigns, was neither unselfish nor sincere. It sprang partly from an exultant belief in the hope that America would be weakened by the separation, and from terror at the remote prospect of Farragut appearing in the channel and Sherman landing in Ireland.

I am anxious that you should distinguish the feeling which drew me aware toward your cause and your career, and which now guides my pen, from that thankless and unworthy sympathy.

Without presuming to decide the purely legal question, on which it seems evident to me from Madison's and Hamilton's papers that the Fathers of the Constitution were not agreed, I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy. The institutions of your Republic have not exercised on the old world the salutary and liberating influence which ought to have belonged to them, by reason of those defects and abuses of principle which the Confederate Constitution was expressly and wisely calculated to remedy. I believed that the example of that great Reform would have blessed all the races of mankind by establishing true freedom purged of the native dangers and disorders of Republics. Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization; and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo.

General Beauregard confirmed to me a report which was in the papers, that you are preparing a narrative of your campaigns. I sincerely trust that it is true, and that the loss you were said to have sustained at the evacuation of Richmond has not deprived you of the requisite materials. European writers are trying to construct that terrible history with the information derived from one side only. I have before me an elaborate work by a Prussian officer named Sander. It is hardly possible that future publications can be more honorable to the reputation of your army and your own. His feelings are strongly Federal, his figures, especially in estimating your forces, are derived from Northern journals, and yet his book ends by becoming an enthusiastic panegyric on your military skill. It will impress you favourably towards the writer to know that he dwells with particular detail and pleasure on your operations against Meade when Longstreet was absent, in the autumn of 1863.

But I have heard the best Prussian military critics regret that they had not the exact data necessary for a scientific appreciation of your strategy, and certainly the credit due to the officers who served under you can be distributed and justified by no hand but your own.

If you will do me the honor to write to me, letters will reach me addressed Sir J. Acton, Hotel [Serry?], Rome. Meantime I remain, with sentiments stronger than respect, Sir,

~ Your faithful servant John Dalberg Acton

Lexington, Vir., 15 Dec. 1866

Sir,

Although your letter of the 4th ulto. has been before me some days unanswered, I hope you will not attribute it to a want of interest in the subject, but to my inability to keep pace with my correspondence. As a citizen of the South I feel deeply indebted to you for the sympathy you have evinced in its cause, and am conscious that I owe your kind consideration of myself to my connection with it. The influence of current opinion in Europe upon the current politics of America must always be salutary; and the importance of the questions now at issue the United States, involving not only constitutional freedom and constitutional government in this country, but the progress of universal liberty and civilization, invests your proposition with peculiar value, and will add to the obligation which every true American must owe you for your efforts to guide that opinion aright. Amid the conflicting statements and sentiments in both countries, it will be no easy task to discover the truth, or to relieve it from the mass of prejudice and passion, with which it has been covered by party spirit. I am conscious the compliment conveyed in your request for my opinion as to the light in which American politics should be viewed, and had I the ability, I have not the time to enter upon a discussion, which was commenced by the founders of the constitution and has been continued to the present day. I can only say that while I have considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad, I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it. I need not refer one so well acquainted as you are with American history, to the State papers of Washington and Jefferson, the representatives of the federal and democratic parties, denouncing consolidation and centralization of power, as tending to the subversion of State Governments, and to despotism. The New England states, whose citizens are the fiercest opponents of the Southern states, did not always avow the opinions they now advocate. Upon the purchase of Louisiana by Mr. Jefferson, they virtually asserted the right of secession through their prominent men; and in the convention which assembled at Hartford in 1814, they threatened the disruption of the Union unless the war should be discontinued. The assertion of this right has been repeatedly made by their politicians when their party was weak, and Massachusetts, the leading state in hostility to the South, declares in the preamble to her constitution, that the people of that commonwealth "have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free sovereign and independent state, and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right which is not, or may hereafter be by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled." Such has been in substance the language of other State governments, and such the doctrine advocated by the leading men of the country for the last seventy years. Judge Chase, the present Chief Justice of the U.S., as late as 1850, is reported to have stated in the Senate, of which he was a member, that he "knew of no remedy in case of the refusal of a state to perform its stipulations," thereby acknowledging the sovereignty and independence of state action. But I will not weary you with this unprofitable discussion. Unprofitable because the judgment of reason has been displaced by the arbitrament of war, waged for the purpose as avowed of maintaining the union of the states. If, therefore, the result of the war is to be considered as having decided that the union of the states is inviolable and perpetual under the constitution, it naturally follows that it is as incompetent for the general government to impair its integrity by the exclusion of a state, as for the states to do so by secession; and that the existence and rights of a state by the constitution are as indestructible as the union itself. The legitimate consequence then must be the perfect equality of rights of all the states; the exclusive right of each to regulate its internal affairs under rules established by the Constitution, and the right of each state to prescribe for itself the qualifications of suffrage. The South has contended only for the supremacy of the constitution, and the just administration of the laws made in pursuance to it. Virginia to the last made great efforts to save the union, and urged harmony and compromise. Senator Douglass, in his remarks upon the compromise bill recommended by the committee of thirteen in 1861, stated that every member from the South, including Messrs. Toombs and Davis, expressed their willingness to accept the proposition of Senator Crittenden from Kentucky, as a final settlement of the controversy, if sustained by the republican party, and that the only difficulty in the way of an amicable adjustment was with the republican party. Who then is responsible for the war? Although the South would have preferred any honorable compromise to the fratricidal war which has taken place, she now accepts in good faith its constitutional results, and receives without reserve the amendment which has already been made to the constitution for the extinction of slavery. That is an event that has been long sought, though in a different way, and by none has it been more earnestly desired than by citizens of Virginia. In other respects I trust that the constitution may undergo no change, but that it may be handed down to succeeding generations in the form we received it from our forefathers. The desire I feel that the Southern states should possess the good opinion of one whom I esteem as highly as yourself, has caused me to extend my remarks farther than I intended, and I fear it has led me to exhaust your patience. If what I have said should serve to give any information as regards American politics, and enable you to enlighten public opinion as to the true interests of this distracted country, I hope you will pardon its prolixity.

In regard to your inquiry as to my being engaged in preparing a narrative of the campaigns in Virginia, I regret to state that I progress slowly in the collection of the necessary documents for its completion. I particularly feel the loss of the official returns showing the small numbers with which the battles were fought. I have not seen the work by the Prussian officer you mention and therefore cannot speak of his accuracy in this respect.– With sentiments of great respect, I remain your obt. servant,

~ R.E. Lee


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1 posted on 06/08/2002 7:00:43 AM PDT by Korth
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To: Korth
secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy.

I need not comment on what is wrong with this statement, from an American point of view.

2 posted on 06/08/2002 7:24:55 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Korth;stainlessbanner;wafflehouse;archy;aomagrat;Moose4;ConfederateMissouri;Ligeia;CWRWinger...
Aw, Shucks!
3 posted on 06/08/2002 8:10:47 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: shuckmaster
bttt
4 posted on 06/08/2002 9:15:56 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: shuckmaster
Dixie Bump!!!
5 posted on 06/08/2002 9:18:16 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: Huck
Well Huck, maybe you should comment because I see nothing wrong with the statement myself. The Confederacy was an attempt at maintaining the Republic which the Founding Fathers envisioned, one in which the national government did specific jobs and nothing else. Not one, where the national government lorded over the state governments with and iron fist handing out pork projects to the respective states with taxpayer dollars, like lincoln, Clay, and Hamilton might have envisioned
6 posted on 06/08/2002 9:21:43 AM PDT by billbears
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To: Huck
Makes more sense when you add the first part of his statement:

...I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will....

7 posted on 06/08/2002 9:26:52 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Korth; Non-Sequitur
Judge Chase, the present Chief Justice of the U.S., as late as 1850, is reported to have stated in the Senate, of which he was a member, that he "knew of no remedy in case of the refusal of a state to perform its stipulations,"thereby acknowledging the sovereignty and independence of state action

Except when it came to money, isn't that right Non? He urges lincoln to start a war, gets appointed to the SCOTUS for his troubles, vilifies the man after he's dead, and then rules on a case that would justify his own actions eight years earlier. Clinton himself couldn't have done any better

8 posted on 06/08/2002 9:32:08 AM PDT by billbears
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To: Korth
Mill's "The Contest in America" provides a different point of view.

And doesn't Acton's view here stand out like a sore thumb given Britain's long refusal to grant self-determination to Ireland, India and other possessions? What was acceptable for a trading rival was not acceptable in one's own empire The Civil War offered Britain a chance to cut a challenger in half. That might be though quite attractive to a world power. Need one look further for a motive to support the Confederacy?

Acton's own later opposition to nationalist movements also calls the view expressed here into question. It's strange to see someone so passionate in support of multinational empires invoked to defend a breakaway movement. Some quotes from Acton in defense of the multinational Habsburg empire:

“A State which is incompetent to satisfy different races condemns itself; a State which labors to neutralize, to absorb or to expel them, destroys its own vitality; a State which does not include them is destitute of the chief basis of self-government.”

"Where political and national boundaries coincide, society ceases to advance and nations relapse into a condition corresponding to that of men who renounce intercourse with their fellow men. The difference between the two unites mankind not only by the benefits it confers on those who live together, but because it connects society either by a political or national bond, gives to every people an interest in its neighbors, either because they are under the same government or because they are of the same race, and thus promotes the interests of humanity, of civilization and of religion."

If Acton "saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will" and supported secession for that reason he was deluding himself. State's rights is itself a doctrine of "sovereign will." Just ask some of its supporters. Take state's rights out of the federal context and you have another form of absolute rule.

9 posted on 06/08/2002 9:44:54 AM PDT by x
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To: billbears
Billbears you are as full of crap as a Christmas turkey today. Urged him to start a war...Vilifies Lincoln after he was dead...none of that happened and you know it.
10 posted on 06/08/2002 11:15:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: billbears
Well Huck, maybe you should comment because I see nothing wrong with the statement myself. The Confederacy was an attempt at maintaining the Republic which the Founding Fathers envisioned

I don't see it that way. It seems to me they wanted to remake the Confederation that was in place before the Founding. If you read Patrick Henry's arguments during the Virginia Ratification debates, you see the same complaints later issued by the confederate states. It wasn't an abuse of the system that bothered them, it was the system itself.

11 posted on 06/08/2002 12:16:53 PM PDT by Huck
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To: stainlessbanner
I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will....

That's an erroneous statement.

12 posted on 06/08/2002 12:18:18 PM PDT by Huck
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To: billbears
Massachusetts, the leading state in hostility to the South, declares in the preamble to her constitution, that the people of that commonwealth "have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free sovereign and independent state, and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right which is not, or may hereafter be by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled."

There are problems with this also. First, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, state constitutions notwithstanding. That's in the Constitution. End of argument. But even if it weren't, the debate revolving around "expressly delegated" powers is not entirely correct, either. The Framers all recognized that their are implied powers as well. And not only that, the general government is sovereign in some respects over all the states, not just those who volunteer on that given day. And even if all of that didn't end the argument, the Slavers who seceded denied to the Congress a clearly expressed right to make laws governing the District of Columbia. They walked out of the House of Representatives when John Quincy Adams dared to read a petition submitted by citizens calling for the abolition of slavery in the District. The South had no case.

13 posted on 06/08/2002 12:25:35 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
[from an American point of view]

You're American? Coulda fooled me.

14 posted on 06/08/2002 1:00:33 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
Coulda fooled me.

That goes without saying.

15 posted on 06/08/2002 2:51:14 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
Coulda fooled me.

No challenge in that, is there?

16 posted on 06/08/2002 6:14:49 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Christmas turkey you say?
OPINIONS WRITTEN BY MEMBERS OP THE CABINET AT THE VERBAL REQUEST OF THE PRESIDENT, AT A CABINET MEETING HELD TO DETERMINE THE QUESTION OF SENDING AN EXPEDITION TO RELIEVE FORT SUMTER, March 29, 1861.

Mr. Chase, Secretary of the Treasury, wrote:

If war is to be the consequence of an attempt to provision Fort Sumter, war will just as certainly result from the attempt to maintain possession of Fort Pickens.

I am clearly in favor of maintaining Fort Pickens, and just as clearly in favor of provisioning Fort Sumter.

If that attempt be resisted by military force, Fort Sumter should, in my judgment, be reinforced.

If war is to be the result, I perceive no reason why it may not be best begun in consequence of military resistance to the efforts of the administration to sustain troops of the Union stationed under the authority of the government, in a fort of the Union, in the ordinary course of service

Tulane University

It is clear upon this statement that the Circuit Court was bound to hear Milligan's petition for the writ of habeas corpus, called in the act an order to bring the prisoner before the judge or the court, and to issue the writ, or, in the language of the act, to make the order.

The first question, therefore -- ought the writ to issue? -- must be answered in the affirmative. [p*135]

And it is equally clear that he was entitled to the discharge prayed for.

It must be borne in mind that the prayer of the petition was not for an absolute discharge, but to be delivered from military custody and imprisonment, and if found probably guilty of any offence, to be turned over to the proper tribunal for inquiry and punishment, or, if not found thus probably guilty, to be discharged altogether.

And the express terms of the act of Congress required this action of the court. The prisoner must be discharged on giving such recognizance as the court should require, not only for good behavior, but for appearance, as directed by the court, to answer and be further dealt with according to law.

The first section of the act authorized the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus generally throughout the United States. The second and third sections limited this suspension, in certain cases, within states where the administration of justice by the Federal courts remained unimpaired. In these cases, the writ was still to issue, and, under it, the prisoner was entitled to his discharge by a circuit or district judge or court unless held to bail for appearance to answer charges. No other judge or court could make an order of discharge under the writ. Except under the circumstances pointed out by the act, neither circuit nor district judge or court could make such an order. But under those circumstances, the writ must be issued, and the relief from imprisonment directed by the act must be afforded. The commands of the act were positive, and left no discretion to court or judge.

An affirmative answer must therefore be given to the second question, namely: ought Milligan to be discharged according to the prayer of the petition?

Hmmmm... Tour of Law

lincoln was wrong and his own Chief Justice as much as says so. Surely we don't need to go to Texas v White, where Chase concluded through his 'infinite wisdom' that secession was wrong do we?

Chase called for war, vilified lincoln after his death, and covered his own actions against the South in Texas v White.

18 posted on 06/08/2002 8:07:03 PM PDT by billbears
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To: Mortin Sult
All I meant to say is that the secessionists, it seems to me, simply didn't like our government. Our government did in fact form a consolidated union. The selling point, according to its advocates--Madison, Washington, Hamilton--was that the powers were enumerated, that according to sound republican principles the powers were divided, and that the sovereignty was mixed between the states and the general government. And finally, that the ultimate sovereignty resides with the people.

But there were those, particularly in the South, particularly among the slave interest, that never liked it. Patrick Henry was one of those. These were people who never wanted to give up their independent state sovereignty, and finally denied that they ever had. They had. When the Constitution was ratified, a certain amount of state sovereignty was surrendered.

You don't have to convince me of the hypocrisy of the slave interest in the 1830s, 40's, and 50s. It's all on the record. And I don't mean to diminish the value of the old Confederation, the legitimate one, by relating the Southern confederates to it. But it is no wonder that just as was the case at the Constitutional Convention, South Carolina and Georgia were the least enthused, the least willing to compromise, and the most adamant about their precious "institution": human slavery.

19 posted on 06/08/2002 8:32:59 PM PDT by Huck
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To: billbears
Kudos to you sir, I had never seen that one.
20 posted on 06/08/2002 9:46:18 PM PDT by 4CJ
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