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To: My Favorite Headache; Marine Inspector; sleavelessinseattle; 2Trievers; ~Kim4VRWC's~...
Just came in from the 12:20 AM showing of Sum Of All Fears. I am going to make this short and sweet. It could possibly be the biggest waste of time and money ever put on screen.

I loved the book. When I heard they were going to turn it into a movie, I was over-joyed. Then I heard they were going to change the plot to keep from offending the arabs and muslims who had just knocked down the Twin Towers. Then to add insult to injury, I heard they were going to cast Ben Aflack as Jack Ryan (having just been severely disappointed by the screwing over of a potentially epoch movie - Pearl Harbor - I coudn't see it working). I resolved then that I would not go see the movie.

As for Clancy, I heard that he had fought the changes, but that since his check cleared, he had no real say in it; that if he came out against the final version, he would be sued for any losses - or something to that effect. I can't vouch for the veracity of the story, but I tend to believe it. I have heard credible stories about his run-ins with Harrison Ford (grade A Lib) over changes that were attempted in previous Clancy book/movies.

Thanks for confirming my decision to boycot the movie. I hope others do as well. I'm tired of hollywad deciding what is and is not good for us to see on screen - especially when political correctness is involved.

BIG PING!

6 posted on 06/01/2002 12:49:39 AM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
Best movie on terrorism; Arlington Road
11 posted on 06/01/2002 12:52:38 AM PDT by patton
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To: PsyOp
Yeah, I am wondering what Affleck will be like in Daredevil. I just hope it doesnt suck too bad. Saw a small, poorly lighted photo of him in costume, looked pretty cool. I guess we will have to see...JFK
18 posted on 06/01/2002 1:01:35 AM PDT by BADROTOFINGER
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To: PsyOp
Damn !...........And I liked that book too :o(

Stay Safe !

20 posted on 06/01/2002 1:06:17 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Colorado Tanker; Libertina; pissed off janitor; happygrl;Dennisw;sjackson;Proudeagle...
Thanks for confirming my decision to boycott the movie. I hope others do as well. I'm tired of hollywad deciding what is and is not good for us to see on screen - especially when political correctness is involved.

Great Ping Psyops...Passing it on...I'm glad Casablanca is in the can...Hollywierd can turn ANYTHING into a complete waste of celluloid if they politicize it...Freep on...I am still hacked off at the anti gun theme from Star Gate the movie!!!

OTOH The Stargate SG1 TV Series rocks, BTW!!!! one episode they used Benelli shotguns to break up little autonomous robots...the shooters actually wore SAFETY GLASSES!!! I was amazed they got that much firearms reality onto prime time TV...BR SS

30 posted on 06/01/2002 1:52:52 AM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: PsyOp
"Then I heard they were going to change the plot to keep from offending the arabs and muslims who had just knocked down the Twin Towers."

I refuse to see it for that reason alone. I refuse to support PC nonsense.

33 posted on 06/01/2002 2:26:58 AM PDT by brat
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To: PsyOp
Then I heard they were going to change the plot to keep from offending the arabs and muslims who had just knocked down the Twin Towers.

Ha ha ha. I guarantee you they didn't write, shoot, and edit this movie since 9/11. However, Tom Clancy was one of two executive producers. See www.imdb.com
35 posted on 06/01/2002 2:32:55 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: PsyOp
Thanks for confirming my decision to boycot the movie. I hope others do as well. I'm tired of hollywad deciding what is and is not good for us to see on screen - especially when political correctness is involved.

Thanks to all FReepers. I will not pay good money for this P.O.S. Besides that, to heck with a p*ssy like Ben Affleck playing the role of Jack Ryan.

46 posted on 06/01/2002 4:33:56 AM PDT by Looking4Truth
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To: PsyOp
Your editorial regarding Hollywood's liberal tilt and "Sum of all Fears" is right on target! Your name suggests that you understand the propaganda value of manipulation of the media, incluing film. These films are specifically created to produce a social effect.

The problem with Hollywood's executives is that they have consistently underestimated the audience's sophistication. Pearl Harbor was simply a special effects movie based on a real event. However, the film makers knew more about camera angles and makeup than about USN machine guns and Japanese Navy Zeroes. That's how you end up with Michael Bay showing a gunner aiming his gun horizontally to shoot a plane (but in reality that would have shot the adjacent Battleship).

Ironically, during the NBA Laker game on NBC, ABC was broadcasting some kind of Hollywood Awards Show...during one commercial break at the NBA game, I flipped the dial and found that (lo and behold) the show was touting Michael Bay.

Smirk!

58 posted on 06/01/2002 5:13:09 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: PsyOp
You have notice as well as most that when Hollywad gets there hands on anything good they screw it up to Highest Degree like the Lefto-Pinky Klitoooooon tried and almost succeeded, they just can't leave things alone and make their movies based on the writings....
59 posted on 06/01/2002 5:13:45 AM PDT by Wave Rider
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To: PsyOp
Conservative white males. The only group remaining that it is safe to pick on.

Here's an idea: Why don't the "outed" conservatives in Hollywood like Schwartzenegger, Selleck, Willis, Woods, etc., pool their money and resources and start a new studio? Take in investors like Clancy, Limbaugh, O'Reilley? They wouldn't even need to make counter-propaganda movies, just truthful ones.

60 posted on 06/01/2002 5:34:49 AM PDT by stiga bey
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To: PsyOp
Thanks for the ping. I think I'll just take the time to sit and read the book again rather than go and see how they've twisted the movie around.
64 posted on 06/01/2002 6:50:50 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: PsyOp
Thanks for the Ping. It's good to read about the movie, and NOT WASTE MY MONEY seeing it. I love to read Clancy, I know there is no way to do his book's justice on the big screen, but they have to be SO *UCKING PC ABOUT IT!!
68 posted on 06/01/2002 7:06:16 AM PDT by Springman
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To: PsyOp; My Favorite Headache
Then I heard they were going to change the plot to keep from offending the arabs and muslims who had just knocked down the Twin Towers....Thanks for confirming my decision to boycot the movie.

I'm boycotting it as well, because they changed the bad guys from Arab Muslims to "rightwingers". We aren't neo-Nazis (I hope!), but "rightwingers" is US!!

69 posted on 06/01/2002 7:19:37 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: PsyOp
Then I heard they were going to change the plot to keep from offending the arabs and muslims who had just knocked down the Twin Towers.

From what I understand, the movie was already in the can when 9/11 happened. They just delayed its release until well after.

For those who have read the book, don't look for anything resembling it, except for the fact that the nuke blew up in the US. The writers changed just about everything. That being said, I enjoyed the movie for what it was, an action movie, of which I'm a big fan. I stopped trying to compare it to the book, in fact I was having a hard time remembering the smaller events in the book. I'll have to go back and read it. Fut for those who have never read it, and I'm sure that's most people who go to the movies, it makes for an exciting night out.

Ben Affleck wasn't bad as Jack Ryan, a damn sight better than Alec Baldwin, but we've just been spoiled by Harrison Ford. And for those who object to Ben Affleck because of his politics, Harrison Ford's are just about the same, we're just more used to him as Jack Ryan. And I like Liev Schreiber as John Clark, but Willem Dafoe has imprinted on my brain in that part, and it's hard to shake the image!!

70 posted on 06/01/2002 7:36:06 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: PsyOp
I almost always avoid flicks that are PC enough to irritate me. I figured this one to be as much after the change of bad guys to universally despised whiteys. What a joke right? Arab terrorists launch a massive terrorist strike against our civilian populace and we are afraid to cast them as bad guys....we are soft as putty and will deserve our fate(rotting from the inside) when it comes if we don't wake up.
75 posted on 06/01/2002 8:27:10 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: PsyOp
I'm tired of hollywad deciding what is and is not good for us to see on screen - especially when political correctness is involved.

Maybe you should try some of the foreign and independent cinema being made, and avoid the "blockbusters". They are ALL about money, not purity of message. The indie films are all about breaking the blockbuster rules, as they know up front they'll be lucky to make a little profit.

And they are almost always more interesting, leaving at least something of an impression.

90 posted on 06/01/2002 9:42:28 AM PDT by avenir
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To: PsyOp
Yep, it's ok to show the US horribly attacked, as long as you don't offend the muslims who've actually just done it in real life. God forbid. If I could think of a way to sink Hollywood in the ocean without killing the endangered California Republican, I would.
104 posted on 06/01/2002 12:24:07 PM PDT by TheLurkerX
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To: PsyOp
Neo-Nazi's or Russian reactionaries are sooooo 20th Century.
105 posted on 06/01/2002 12:36:28 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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