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May 17 2002 | Friso Stammen

Posted on 05/17/2002 6:08:18 AM PDT by knighthawk

There appeared a thread yesterday:

Fortuyn favoured depraved

It said that Pim Fortuyn was 'a powerful advocate or paedophilia'. The article in the Scotsman is based on an 1999 column of Pim Fortuyn.

The article there leaves out the things that make one understand what he is saying.

1. If it was true this was such a vile column, Elsevier would have never allowed it to be printed
2. If it was true this was such a vile column, the media an left parties would have brought it to the attention of people months ago. And by doing so stopping Fortuyn cold in his tracks before he could break down the left
3. If it was true this was such a vile column, and he is a sexual pervert, then way did nobody claimed the 2250 dollar reward a leftist organization awarded the first man that could bring out information about Fortuyn's sexual past that would descredit him. Not ONE single person managed to come up with anything.

I a furious, not about the article, but they way it was presented and pinged around.

This is exactly what led to the death of Pim Fortuyn in the first place, the demonization of the media and politicians, who lied and published selected half-true things, leaving out the rest.

He was murdered by a man who thought that shooting so was a good thing to do.


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To: knighthawk
I must say that in my pathetically short tenure here at FR, yours is the best adios I've seen.

Most of the time the replies are a mixture of "good riddence", "don't let the door....." and an occasional "we'll miss you".

Instead you are being praised. There is no shame in coming back.

41 posted on 05/17/2002 7:22:21 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: knighthawk
Take some deep breaths.
Go for a couple of long, liesurely walks.
Don't post for a few days...maybe a week.

Then do the right thing.
Just say you have revoked your departure.

How else are we going to really keep track on what's happening on the ground
in The Netherlands?

Big lies will slip into every human institution from time to time.
Visceral reaction is normal for a conscientious person.
And after time for the blood to cool and the intellect to go into high gear...
it's time to return to the rough-and-tumble of the arena.
42 posted on 05/17/2002 7:25:18 AM PDT by VOA
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To: knighthawk;Rebelbase
Instead you are being praised. There is no shame in coming back.

knighthawk,
Rebelbase said it much better than I could.
Take a break. Then come back.
Please.
43 posted on 05/17/2002 7:27:01 AM PDT by VOA
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To: knighthawk
I wish to add my voice to those who are asking you to reconsider. I have learned a lot from your posts, as I assume others have as well.
44 posted on 05/17/2002 7:32:23 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: knighthawk
No need, knighthawk. Besides, you perform a valuable service here. I saw the title of the post and didn't even open it up. I always read your posts, however. So if you leave, who wins. Not you, not me, not FreeRepublic. A rash decision can always be reconsidered.
45 posted on 05/17/2002 7:33:52 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: knighthawk
I hate to see you go my friend,I'd hoped we would see the end of the UN together. I'll not forget you,I wish you well.

Regards

46 posted on 05/17/2002 7:36:08 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: aristeides;knighthawk
I didn't know anything about the politics in NL. Thanks to knighthawk, I've learned a lot. NL seems to be on the cutting edge of running the socialists out of their country. It is a shame knighthawk will run away from it. Would Pim Fortuyn have run away?
47 posted on 05/17/2002 7:37:13 AM PDT by WIMom
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To: Rebelbase;knighthawk
I love this joint!

I stopped lurking AND posting for a week some months ago because I felt the congealed rancid malice on certain threads was becoming harmful to my spirit.

After a week or so, I regained my affable composure.

Sometimes Achilles just has to retire to his tent. ;^)

48 posted on 05/17/2002 7:41:00 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: knighthawk
Please don't go. I have family in NL who are very Socialist and I look foreward to your reports to get the other side of things. We need you here!
49 posted on 05/17/2002 7:42:25 AM PDT by duvausa
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To: Knighthawk
Instead you are being praised. There is no shame in coming back.

Please know that this thread shows you are respected by many here, Knighthawk.

Say you will stay. No harm done.

50 posted on 05/17/2002 7:42:36 AM PDT by madfly
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To: knighthawk
I've gone back and read the offending article. It's artfully written to link Fortuyn with this other philosopher who is advocating pedophilia. The Scotsman quotes Fortuyn's position that pedophilia and then quotes the other person making it look like Fortuyn's position. They then extrapolate Fortuyn advocating pedephilia by essentially saying that because he didn't view his childhood experience negatively that he advocates men raping children. This is clearly an example of having to read the press very closely and how they spin and smear anyone who opposes their agenda.
51 posted on 05/17/2002 7:43:29 AM PDT by JMS
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To: knighthawk
"This needs to be read. Fortuyn was evil, no conservative should support him just because he favored the free market."

Oh stop it. Just stand where you are and don't go anywhere! My chief objection is not the above opinion of the poster, but that someone felt they needed to take it upon themself to tell me how I should think - without me asking them. I tried to respond to the post but I couldn't. I guess the thread was closed to further postings.

54 posted on 05/17/2002 7:49:40 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: knighthawk
After reading your homepage, I hope you reconsider and come back.
56 posted on 05/17/2002 7:55:31 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: knighthawk
Knighthawk,

I thank you for your time here in FR.

Even though we have never met in person, I have come to regard you as a sort of friend here. Someone who cares deeply for his country and his beliefs.

I have also been tempted to leave after argueing with some of the Dinosaurs here, all to no avail.

On the whole however, I have decided that I would be more effective staying and fighting than leaving.

In my Army unit we had an Un-offical Motto...

Non Illigitmus Carborundum (sic).

Loosly translated from Latin it means "Dont let the bastards get you down"

It is the best advise I can give you for the morons.....

Cheers,

knews hound

57 posted on 05/17/2002 7:58:03 AM PDT by knews_hound
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To: knighthawk
Fortuyn's murder is a tragedy. The ripples of the crime will be felt for months, perhaps years to come.

For what it's worth, I chose not to follow the Fortuyn case closely, due to limitations on my time. I quit following the Le Penn bashing threads as well. I obviously should have paid more attention to both, at least on FR.

For that I apologize.

Sorry to see you go, man.

58 posted on 05/17/2002 7:58:37 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: SW6906
So what if Knighthawk's only listed as a member since October 2001?

It's the QUALITY of the posts, not the length of time a particular screen name has been in use that counts.

59 posted on 05/17/2002 8:11:58 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: knighthawk
Adding my 0.02 euros to what the others said.

Knighthawk, please reconsider. Maybe I should feel guilty because I may have been the first on FreeRepublic to link to the Scotsman article (a link which I found on National Review Online, hardly a leftist publication and one that has consistently praised Fortuyn's politics). If it makes you feel better, give me a good cussing.

Remember that I went back and amended my first post with a big "IF PROVEN". Nevertheless, I feel very strongly that we do our comrades in arms (or spirit) no favors if we look the other way when (alleged) bad news emerges about them. I am not saying that you did so, of course.

Hoping to read you again soon.

60 posted on 05/17/2002 8:15:04 AM PDT by tictoc
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