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FRANCE HASN'T CHANGED MUCH
Fiedor Report On the News #270 ^ | 4-28-02 | Doug Fiedor

Posted on 04/27/2002 10:31:22 AM PDT by forest

No matter if you have a dog in the fight or not, some election campaigns are fun to watch. One current media flap is over a primary election in France which, in the grand scheme of things, means very little to us here. Nonetheless, the rhetoric is instructive and the reaction quite interesting.

"You are not heading a government but a band of criminals," Jean-Marie Le Pen said to the opposition in front of a supportive crowd of over 10,000 in his campaign against France's prime minister, Alain Juppe. "Not only are you incompetent, but you are also evil-minded. Your performance, like that of your predecessors, is disastrous."

Le Pen is admittedly anti-immigration and chants, "France for the French!" because he knows most French people agree. When Le Pen speaks of the "superiority of France's civilization," again, many French wholeheartedly agree. Le Pen does not shock the French people by saying that "there is corruption at all levels" of the French government. The French people realize that as a self evident fact. So, then Le Pen ramped up the rhetoric with a threat: "When we get to power, all the cheats and bandits will not only have to defend their deeds but also their throats." That remark, of course, immediately became worrisome to officials in power all across Europe.

But this is France, after all. The nation has been socialist for many years and some of the French citizens are becoming fed up with that style of government.

It started, of course, with Charles de Gaulle. In just a few years, de Gaulle swung from an anti-communist to a socialist. Back in the 1960s, the French government was such a mess that they even had three different types of money in circulation all at once: Old Francs, Francs and New Francs. That always made shopping a joy!

Over the years, they got that problem worked out. But, still today, we hear the same old political chants and this election cycle is no different. Only the politicians' names have changed.

Le Pen believes his success in qualifying for the May 5 run-off against incumbent President Jacques Chirac shows French voters want radical change. He says he is the candidate of the French people and they voted for him to overturn the political system. Le Pen told reporters: "We are witnessing the end of a cycle that spurned a decadent and corrupt system." Le Pen freely admits his intent to bring a halt to the immigration into France. His reasoning is both simple and widespread in France: "This constant foreign immigration will -- if a barrier is not erected -- eventually submerge our country."

That fear resonates loudly all over Europe.

In a statement from his Saint Cloud headquarters last week, Le Pen said: "I appeal to all patriots, sovereignists and true republicans to rally around my candidature to oppose the technocratic Europe of Brussels and create a truly popular force to defend national independence and oppose globalization."

That statement was also well received by many people throughout Europe -- but not by those in government.

As a few thousand protesters took to the streets across France to denounce his success, Le Pen, flanked by bodyguards, appealed for calm. "Change must be carried out peacefully," he said. Le Pen accused his opponents of "fuelling civil disorder" by appealing to the people to rally against him.

Not reported was the fact that Le Pen often attracted large crowds at political campaign rallies. Do the "protestors" outnumber supporters? No one really knows yet. The situation is becoming interesting, though. Already, police are preparing for the May Day activities next week, where more than 500,000 demonstrators are expected to hit the streets of Paris. That demonstration has historically been eventful. The socialists characteristically need someone or something to hate and this year they have Le Pen as a focal point.

It is not very likely that Le Pen will get even 25% of the vote in the general election. Even so, socialist and communist politicians all over Europe are worried.

In Britain, political party leaders met last week to discuss how to stop a rise of ultra-right parties there. David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, said that the French National Front's success was the "most dramatic representation yet" of the far right's advance in Europe. He complained that socialist governments, including that of Lionel Jospin in France, have allowed extremists to prosper by failing to adopt policies on street crime and asylum that command the confidence of the public.

German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said: "It's most regrettable that the Far Right has become so strong." The Spanish Foreign Minister, Joseph Pique, warned Le Pen's views run "counter to the construction of Europe." The European Parliament's Irish president, Pat Cox, urged all democrats in France to "stand up against intolerance and xenophobia." The French newspaper "Liberation" carried a photo of Le Pen with the one-word headline: "NON."

These are, of course, all socialists rallying against a non-socialist leader. We shall not criticize someone for preferring his nation and his culture above all others. However, there are many accusations of racism fired at Le Pen and his political party.

Is Le Pen really a ranting racist? It appears so.

In both public and private comments, Le Pen has said that, yes, he believed in the "inequality of the races." History has demonstrated, Le Pen said, that the races "do not have the same evolutionary capacity."

For that reason, the French mainstream parties of both the left and the right are expected to unite and produce an overwhelming victory for Chirac next month. Anything else could split Europe down the middle. Again.  

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antiimmigration; antisocialism; frenchconserv; lepen; natlpoliworried; parismayday
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Le Pen is admittedly anti-immigration and chants, "France for the French!" because he knows most French people agree. When Le Pen speaks of the "superiority of France's civilization," again, many French wholeheartedly agree. Le Pen does not shock the French people by saying that "there is corruption at all levels" of the French government. The French people realize that as a self evident fact. So, then Le Pen ramped up the rhetoric with a threat: "When we get to power, all the cheats and bandits will not only have to defend their deeds but also their throats." That remark, of course, immediately became worrisome to officials in power all across Europe.

But this is France, after all. The nation has been socialist for many years and some of the French citizens are becoming fed up with that style of government.

1 posted on 04/27/2002 10:31:22 AM PDT by forest
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To: forest
bump
2 posted on 04/27/2002 10:34:21 AM PDT by VOA
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To: forest
I would imagine French Socialists are much like American Socialist Democrats, and will stuff their ballot boxes come election time, and LaPen will lose.
3 posted on 04/27/2002 10:39:52 AM PDT by swampfox98
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To: forest
The establishment sounds scared.

That is as it should be.

4 posted on 04/27/2002 10:42:23 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: forest
It is not very likely that Le Pen will get even 25% of the vote in the general election. Even so, socialist and communist politicians all over Europe are worried.

With reason. They know the 20/80 rule, they know what a communist minority in country after country was able to achieve. They know it can go the other way too.

5 posted on 04/27/2002 10:45:49 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: forest
History has demonstrated, Le Pen said, that the races "do not have the same evolutionary capacity."

Holy Mackerel, a Darwinist! This is worse than I thought. This guy believes in the Theory of Evolution. He's no better than the head of some American school board or even a shop steward in the Teacher's Union.

6 posted on 04/27/2002 11:32:03 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: forest
The more I hear about Le Pen the better I like him.

-ccm

7 posted on 04/27/2002 1:29:12 PM PDT by ccmay
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To: Cicero
Is Le Pen really a ranting racist? It appears so. In both public and private comments, Le Pen has said that, yes, he believed in the "inequality of the races." History has demonstrated, Le Pen said, that the races "do not have the same evolutionary capacity."

An otherwise decent enough article, spoiled by this bit of silliness. Recognizing that people are not equal, and that the diverse races of men differ in their capacity does not make one a "ranting racist." Is there anyone who has seriously studied the physical anthropology of man who does not recognize that there are differences--significant differences--between peoples. That the so-called mainstream parties feel a compulsive need to denounce Le Pen for this, speaks reams about their devotion to truth and honor. They have none.

Consider. Will anyone suggest that we Caucasians have anything like the capacity for survival in a desert, to compare with the Cappoid peoples of Southwest Africa? Anyone? Conversely, have the Cappoid peoples of Southwest Africa ever demonstrated an equivalent capacity to the French in achieving the sort of Culture that is important to the French. Why is Le Pen denounced for recognizing what no reasonable person can deny?

The real sickness of the Left is that they must suppress the study and pursuit of truth, to feed their sick egalitarian ideology. If they merely said, "Look, we are all different. We should be kind to one another. We should not do mean things to one another. We should do on to others as we would have others do onto us," no decent minded person would fault them. We might not always be as kind to others as suggested. But no one--except a Socialist Utilitarian--would assail such a statement. But that is not the form their claimed "tolerance" takes.

No the Socialist world insists that we pretend that there are no differences between peoples; that we let them (the Socialists) manipulate us, program us, and order our futures in a world where the naked Socialist Chairmen march around, and everyone admires both their new clothes and their marvelous "enlightened" intellects. No wonder no one dares to debate Le Pen.

Well, enough is enough! My prayers will go with Le Pen next week. That is little enough for me to offer; a small thanks for the role that the truly Rightwing (Le Pen is only a moderate Conservative, with courage, in a mad world) French Navy under the Bourbons played in blockading Yorktown, and helping Washington launch America.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

8 posted on 04/27/2002 2:53:04 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Cicero
Holy Mackerel, a Darwinist! This is worse than I thought. This guy believes in the Theory of Evolution. He's no better than the head of some American school board or even a shop steward in the Teacher's Union.

I realize that you are being ironic. But there are many theories of evolution. One does not have to be a Darwinist to recognize that species do evolve. One need only look at the immense variation in domestic animals, which has been produced by selective breeding over the past few centuries, to recognize how great a change can be produced in a relatively short time frame, by breeding patterns alone.

What Le Pen is obviously not is a Lamarckian--Lamarck's theory of evolution by acquired characteristics has been the underpinning of Left-wing social engineering theories since the French Revolution. It underpinned Bolshevik biology, and was a joke until the American Left basically ended the study of Physical Anthropology.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

9 posted on 04/27/2002 3:38:42 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: swampfox98
Good insight!
10 posted on 04/27/2002 3:51:19 PM PDT by caddie
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To: ccmay
He certainly is not the monster the press would have us believe he is.
11 posted on 04/27/2002 3:52:43 PM PDT by caddie
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To: ccmay
Do you know that he hung out with former SS officers for ten years? Appointed them as spokesmen for his party? Had them run its publications?

Why is everyone so naive and dense? Yes, the left regularly howls "wolf" at mere Reagans and Goldwaters. But Le Pen is not one of those.

He is an anti-Arab racist who preferred the SS, Vichy veterans, and the OAS, to General de Gaulle. He was radicalized by the French war in Algeria, when he was an intelligence officer in Massu's Paras during the battle of Algiers. He is not a choir boy. Pretending he is only shows collosal ignorance.

12 posted on 04/27/2002 5:32:43 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Indeed,he is a radical, and his taste in associates is interesting, but consider his age and the ramshackle nature of his following. He in power would be less fearsome than the Stalinists who regularly won more than 25% of the vote.
13 posted on 04/27/2002 5:50:16 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: JasonC
He also, though only a teenager, assisted his father, in serving a right-wing militia of the Resistance. Still, no, he's not a choirboy. France doesn't need a choirboy. France is a graver danger than France was in 1429 or 1940. The demographics of France are such that France will be a Muslim nation in 50 years if things do not change, and quickly. And, if you think Le Pen is a bad man, wait until you see who replaces him in 25 years when France is 35 to 40% Muslim and the Muslims are demanding sharia imposed on the indigenous peoples of the French homeland and rioting on the streets and turning France into a Third World nation.
14 posted on 04/27/2002 6:07:01 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Ohioan
I think it's interesting that no one mentions the possibility that immigration could be used as a tool to subvert democracy from within. No one seems to be prepared to accept the idea that immigration - rather than being a necessary part of democracy - is being used by the Left as a means by which to establish socialism by "democratic" means. After all, the demographics are pretty clear. One would have to be naive to assume that the Left is unaware of the importance of immigration and its relationship to the welfare state.

In my opinion, that is why Le Pen is such a threat to the socialists.

15 posted on 04/27/2002 7:12:28 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: RobbyS
His associates are not interesting, they are disgusting. He is an ordinary traitor who hangs out with other traitors. He has never given a damn about France, let alone about the Republic or its constitution and laws. His allegiance is reserved for his own sick ideas of racial supremacy, which in practice means the sickos who agree with him pretend they are superior to those who don't, in an empty mutual admiration society of sickos.

In power he would be quite exactly as bad as the Stalinists, not as their were in opposition but as they would have been in power. Which the US rightly did everything in its power to prevent, and which would have been a disaster for the country and its neighbors. He also doesn't have a snowball's chance in the second round, and anything who thinks otherwise is invited to put their money where their mouth is and bet on it.

16 posted on 04/27/2002 8:13:54 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Phillip Augustus
50 year demographic projections are voodoo, made up out of whole cloth. They are the ordinary stuff of left wing one-world socialists screaming of falling skies. The human race had only two members in 1264 - you can tell, just project 3% population growth backwards. 2%? 900 AD. Stumping for a miniscule 1%? 191 BC.

For that matter, take 1% population growth begining with 2 people in 4000 BC, and let an average human attain a mass of 60 kg. Then the human race would be 1000 times larger than the earth, all the way down, every molecule of iron and nickel. All long term exponential projections show is that nothing is an exponential over the long term.

But apparently no sophistry is too thin to justify race hatred, predictions of "inevitable" racial war and massacre, set men at each other's throats, and render them damnable. At least to certain kinds of minds.

Why stop at Frenchmen, why not take it to the logical conclusion? Unless you kill everyone else on earth immediately, they will all get you! They outnumber you 5,999,999,999 to 1! And the discrepancy is growing all the time! You will never have a better chance to wax them all that right now!

Ooo, spooky, very spooky. You know it is all true. You can't possibly deny such plan facts. Yet you are so naive you think some men aren't your natural enemies - hah hah hah. It is no crazier than the other...

17 posted on 04/27/2002 8:30:58 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Perhaps you are correct; perhaps the Muslim/Algerian birthrate in France will soon decline, or, perhaps, the French birthrate will exponentially increase in the very near future. Alternately, perhaps the Muslims will assimilate to French cultures and customs, in clear contravention of all existing evidence. In fact, I suppose it is possible that if everyone simply gathers around a large campfire, and sings "Kumbaya", all the world's problems will be solved.

Or perhaps not. Now, assuming that my previous hypotheticals are false, and assuming that nothing is done to either prevent additional immigration and deportation of illegal aliens in France, will you still debate that France does not risk a cultural and demographic change that will result in the Islamicization of the French homeland? And, if that does occur, can you tell me, under what POSSIBLE THEORY under the sun, that such would be a good thing.

Just out of curiosity, do you believe that diversity is our greatest strength? If so, why would you necessarily apply that cliche to France?

18 posted on 04/27/2002 8:56:18 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Phillip Augustus
No, I do not believe "that diversity is our greatest strength". I am a cultural nationalist who believes the test of whether immigration is a benefit is assimilation. With assimilation, population is a good thing not a bad one, so immigration is good if assimilation results. Where assimilation is failing, immigration should be curbed while efforts are made to increase assimilating ability (time, selection effects on those coming, welfare reforms, language of instruction, you probably know the platform).

But I do not believe that race or demographics are destiny (creed, morals, philosophy are), that whoever is son of a Dane is ever a Dane, that assimilation is another word for corruption of the blood, or the rest of the racist nonsense spouted by the likes of Le Pen. Should France curb immigration since Arabs aren't assimilating? Sure. Should immigration be legal or not tolerated? Sure. Should anyone found acting for hostile foreign powers be treated as an intruder? Sure. Is that all Le Pen is saying? No, I am not a naive kindergartener, and I know what he really means.

He means all Arabs are the enemies of all whites, that race war between them is an inevitable natural condition, that race wars are won by greater ruthlessness in the application of political power and of force, and that France should be made Arab-free. And after the Arabs, he will pick somebody else whose blood is not pure enough for his old SS pals.

Because he is a race ideologue, and all he knows is manipulating his way to power by stoking racial animosities. He will stoke them in the morning, in the evening, ain't we got fun? He will stoke them to gore the ox you want gored to get your vote, and then he will stoke them to gore your own ox when he gets around to not needing you anymore. At the end of his glorious project, he (or his underlings and successors, more like) will help to usher in a master race - in his wild imagination. In actual fact, he would wind up smashing France against a million things in the modern world that don't fit his beautific ideal, ending in ruin and desolation.

Been there. Done that. Saw the movie. Don't need a remake. Bought a clue. Not going to play. Try another.

19 posted on 04/27/2002 9:22:44 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Assuming Le Pen is Hitler, you just presented an excellent and eloquent argument. Suffice it to say that I do not make that assumption.

Nor does Le Pen necessarily believe that a "race war" is inevitable. He probably views an drastic increase in racial tension as inevitable as the Moslem population of France increases, and is there any evidence that he is wrong? Deporting French Muslims is not a humane or reasonable solution for that, but I do not see Le Pen advocating that. Halting immigration from Third World lands is at least a good starting point, though. At a minimum, that needs to be done. Ironically, this step would probably greatly REDUCE the chance of any kind of "race war".

20 posted on 04/27/2002 9:49:15 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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