Sierra Club report says much changed since Lewis and Clark

Associated Press ^ | 4-4-02 | NICHOLAS K. GERANIOS

[Oldeconomybuyer]

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) --

[Oldeconomybuyer]

The life expectancy in the United States Pre-1850 (using historical data from Massachusettes in 1850) was 38.3 years.

[spqrzilla9]

Notice how the animals that are the subject of sport hunting are very prolific.

[rellimpank]

--if the Sierra Club was the least bit realistic about even preserving what we have left, they would be somewhat to the right of Pat Buchanan on immigration--

[Oldeconomybuyer]

And the eco-leftists wonder why the Sierra Club had little influence over energy policy. That would be like inviting NAMBLA to help draft child safety policy.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Sierra Club report says much changed since Lewis and Clark..."

Ya think?

[Frohickey]

The report offered sweeping recommendations for preserving plants and animals, including greater use of federal designations to remove public lands from development, removal of Snake River dams, no oil or gas drilling in sensitive areas, bans on construction of logging roads and sharp restrictions on motorized vehicles.

Why doesn't the Sierra Club just partner up with Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups?

No people, no development.
No people, no dams.
No people, no oil drilling.
No people, no gas drilling.
No people, no logging.
No people, no vehicles.

[B. A. Conservative]

My recomendation is to eliminate the charitable tax deduction from income taxes and especially from estate taxes. I will be glad when environmentalists and the Sierra Club are on the endangered species list.

[Texbob]

Yeah! Lewis and Clark did not have to put up with the nuts at sierra club.

[Lazamataz]

"There is no better way to commemorate the upcoming Lewis and Clark bicentennial than to protect and restore wild America," said Mary Kiesau of the environmental group.

Incorrect. Lewis and Clark were all about rape and plunder; therefore, the best commemoration of Lewis and Clark's bicentennial will be to destroy vast tracts of unspoiled land.

[mewzilla]

You know, I wish some enterprising journo would do a story on what all the top people in the Sierra Club drive. Any takers on a bet that says the cars ain't all sub-compacts?

[Alberta's Child]

Sierra Club report says much changed since Lewis and Clark

I'll say much has changed. If the modern successors to Lewis and Clark (say, Emmanuel Lewis and Marcia Clark) embarked on such a monumental journey, it would only take them several days via I-76 and I-90.

[Doctor Stochastic]

The Mandan's are mostly extinct too.

[B Knotts]

the best commemoration of Lewis and Clark's bicentennial will be to destroy vast tracts of unspoiled land.

coffee | nose > keyboard

[Johnny Shear]

The life expectancy in the United States Pre-1850 (using historical data from Massachusettes in 1850) was 38.3 years.

Here is something that really made me think once it was pointed-out to me...

Low death rates back then are a bit misleading: Infant death rates were astronomical (I won't pretend to remember how the numbers compare to today but rest assured, it was a large difference). When infant deaths were lowered to meet today's numbers, or totally thrown-out of both numbers, the overall average age of death was about 69 compared to today's 72.

All we've really done is figure-out how to keep babies alive much better.

[45Auto]

My standard questions to the green nazis: Do you live in a house? Do you have electricity? A flush toilet? Drive a car? Play a stereo? Watch TV? Then shut the hell up, because you are a hypocrit unless you live in a Tee Pee, use whale oil lanterns (that's a good one!) and crap in a hole behind the tent!

[thatsnotnice]

Low death rates back then are a bit misleading: Infant death rates were astronomical (I won't pretend to remember how the numbers compare to today but rest assured, it was a large difference). When infant deaths were lowered to meet today's numbers, or totally thrown-out of both numbers, the overall average age of death was about 69 compared to today's 72. .

I seem to remember that the New England area had a much longer life expectancy compared to the other areas. At least in colonial times… which would have bee pre-1850’s

Anyway, it’s not just infant death, but childbirth for the female, which helped lower the life expectancy. I believe I've read that having survived infancy the next biggest cause of death was childbirth. Also things like influenza and pneumonia wiped out a ton of people. My grandfather always told a story of how, of the 22 people that lived on their spread, seven survived an influenza outbreak when he was a child. That was in the 1910’s, IIRC.

[jadimov]

...promotes more use of public lands...

Instead of that they should promote the reduction of public lands. Organizations like Sierra should be forced to buy the lands the want to protect. Then they could manage the lands any way they damn well pleased. Why should the taxpayer have to foot the bill?

[Fish out of Water]

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[rellimpank]

--if I remember correctly, a few years ago a couple of the top officers in the San Francisco chapter of the Sierra Club (they were a married married couple also) were reported to both be driving SUV's to their out of town home in the mountains--

[Right Wing Professor]

The passenger pigeon, Audubon's bighorn sheep, the plains gray wolf and the Carolina parakeet are already extinct.

Audubon's bighorn and the plains grey wolf are subspecies of species which are not extinct. The passenger pigeon and the Carolina parakeet were well known before Lewis and Clark. Thus, the Sierra Club report, pared of its dishonest spin, actually says that every single new species discovered by Lewis and Clark still exists.