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UN Poised To Ratify {But countries that do not ratify it will be subject to prosecution right away}
CNSNews.com ^ | April 02, 2002 | By Christine Hall

Posted on 04/03/2002 12:16:44 PM PST by freespeech1

UN Poised To Ratify International Criminal Court

By Christine Hall

CNSNews.com Staff Writer

April 02, 2002

(CNSNews.com) - The United Nations is poised to ratify the International Criminal Court, which could subject United States citizens to international trials -- even if the U.S. Senate does not ratify the ICC treaty.

"This is a treaty that binds third parties," said Gary T. Dempsey of the Cato Institute. Historically, when two countries sign a treaty, it binds only the countries that sign it, he noted.

International proponents of the treaty expect it to gain the final four votes it needs for U.N. ratification by April 11. That would bring the court into force on July 1.

Former President Bill Clinton signed the ICC treaty on December 31, 2000, in the last days of his administration, ostensibly to ensure that the U.S. would be a full participant in meetings setting forth ICC rules. The U.S. Senate is not expected to ratify the treaty, however.

Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.), the former chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has been a particularly vocal opponent.

Other opponents of the ICC, such as Dempsey, are urging President Bush to "unsign" the treaty, which would be a symbolic gesture. The administration has said it is considering that option. The bottom line is that "the US is not and will not be part of the ICC," Pierre Prosper, the State Department's ambassador at large for war crimes issues, said in New York last week.

While the International Court of Justice (known as the World Court) has jurisdiction over nations, the ICC will be vested with the power to try individuals accused of genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and the crime of "aggression."

Countries that ratify the treaty would be exempt from prosecution for seven years. But countries that do not ratify it will be subject to prosecution right away.

"It would be U.S. policymakers who would be brought before the court," said Dempsey. "So if the other the countries sign onto it, there would be an obligation for them to either arrest that individual and try them in their own country or to extradite them to The Hague, where the main court would be.

"It would create a huge diplomatic nightmare if that happened," said Dempsey. "I can just imagine an American, a former secretary of state, traveling in France [and being] arrested."

Defining aggression

The ICC also raises other concerns for American interests. According to Dempsey, the U.N. drafters could define the crime of aggression in a way that could outlaw pre-emptive strikes and blockades such as the one the U.S. imposed against Cuba during the missile crisis.

"In an age when you've got terrorists trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction," said Dempsey, "that could be a suicide pact."

Also, because the ICC treaty is subject to amendment in seven years, other U.N. countries that originally wanted to include a broader range of crimes, such as "environmental crimes" and drug trafficking, might be able to achieve that. Critics call the amendment possibilities a Pandora's Box.

The Feminist Majority Foundation, which recently took over Ms. magazine, is among the domestic supporters of the ICC.

Eleanor Smeal, founder and president of the group, told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel in March that her group wants the ICC because "what we're worried about are the rights of women.

"The Rome [ICC] treaty recognizes sexual and gender violence as crimes, which is a first for international law," said Smeal. "We think it's extremely important. It's essential if we are going to have rules of law, not man."

Amnesty International has also lobbied on behalf of the ICC proposal. The international human rights group believes the court will have a deterrent effect, "persuading at least some of those tempted to commit atrocities to think again."

Victims and their families will benefit, too, Amnesty argues, because they will know that those who have committed atrocities will be brought to justice.

The ICC "must have strong powers and an unwavering commitment to fairness, and should be a model of independence, effectiveness and justice," says Amnesty.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: banglist; court; criminal; international; nwo; ratify; unlist
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But countries that do not ratify it will be subject to prosecution right away
1 posted on 04/03/2002 12:16:44 PM PST by freespeech1
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To: freespeech1
No Way No How, get us out of the U.N. now! This is just an example of the NWO these jerks thinks is going to happen, we cannot let this continue.
2 posted on 04/03/2002 12:19:03 PM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: freespeech1
Such prosecution would seem like an act of war.
3 posted on 04/03/2002 12:20:47 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: freespeech1
THIS HAS GOT TO BE STOPPED!!!!!
4 posted on 04/03/2002 12:21:08 PM PST by OxfordMovement
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To: HELLRAISER II
U.N,world bank imf,wto, are all the same part of a world goverment
5 posted on 04/03/2002 12:22:08 PM PST by freespeech1
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To: OxfordMovement
The U.N will want U.N police in America next!!
6 posted on 04/03/2002 12:23:34 PM PST by freespeech1
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To: UN_LIST
Bump
7 posted on 04/03/2002 12:28:57 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: freespeech1
Haven't any of these guys read the story of the mice trying to bell the cat???

So someone arrests the US Secretary of State, thus violating our diplomatic immunity. WHAT THE HELL DO THEY THINK WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH ALL 0F THE DIPLOMATS IN THE UN SITTING THERE IN NEW YORK????? Put them all under house arrest until our Secretary of State is returned; then we deport the diplomats and padlock the UN building.

What are they going to do then??

8 posted on 04/03/2002 12:29:29 PM PST by Mack the knife
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To: freespeech1
And what army are they going to use to enforce this crap? If I read this right a country like with a dictator, like Zimbabwe, could do anything it wanted for 7 years without fear of reprisal.
9 posted on 04/03/2002 12:29:59 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Ripple Fire

10 posted on 04/03/2002 12:30:50 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: freespeech1
And who will be charged first, Arasplat or Israel for being terrorists? I have a pretty good idea.
11 posted on 04/03/2002 12:31:06 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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12 posted on 04/03/2002 12:33:05 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: freespeech1
I have read that President Bush will unratify this.Why is he not doing it yesterday?

Clinton signed it this better not be an ooooops didn't "get to it" or Bush will be as bad as Clinton.

13 posted on 04/03/2002 12:34:25 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: freespeech1
Well we have Norwegan fighters coming. Troops are a given.

What would happen right now if there were another terror scare? The sheeple would demand foreign troops since ours are tied up. Hell they'd lick the boots of such soldiers.

This nation is crumbling.

14 posted on 04/03/2002 12:36:20 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: freespeech1
Let's see the UN try to enforce it.
15 posted on 04/03/2002 12:37:08 PM PST by The Vast Right Wing
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To: freespeech1
But countries that do not ratify it will be subject to prosecution right away.

- the ICC will be vested with the power to try individuals accused of genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and the crime of "aggression."

Bush should "unsign" this so Clinton can be prosecuted right away.

16 posted on 04/03/2002 12:38:06 PM PST by Razz Barry
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To: freespeech1
They are already planning to implement a tobin (Global tax) their sick agenda is so brazenly unconstituitional. Oh that's right they don't care about US they had their own DECLARATION and communistic constituition with new age world religion gobbledy goop as a guise for womens rights and concern for all.
17 posted on 04/03/2002 12:38:22 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Razz Barry
Yeah and then after Clinton will be our armed forces.

They will try everyone for not proclaiming THEIR world religion Gaia crap.

18 posted on 04/03/2002 12:40:13 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: freespeech1
Countries that ratify the treaty would be exempt from prosecution for seven years. But countries that do not ratify it will be subject to prosecution right away.

I thought contracts were willing commitments because they were not inherently perfect as they are man made - save for inalienable sovereign rights. What gives the UN the right to grant itself the status of GOD???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

19 posted on 04/03/2002 12:42:37 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
I have read that President Bush will unratify this.Why is he not doing it yesterday?

He will be "un-signing" it.

Only the Congress can ratify a treaty. Hence, Kyoto was signed by Gore, but not ratified by the Senate.

20 posted on 04/03/2002 12:44:40 PM PST by SunStar
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