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[lara]

Anybody watching The View?

[Restorer]

If it had been portrayed (as it is now claimed) to be products of his illness, that would have been bold film-making (though frightening and interesting, commingling antisemitism and bi-sexuality with mental illness...).

Actually, I think there's a very simple reason they left these two aspects of his life out. Due to PCness, they would have been obliged to portray the anti-semitism as a symptom of his disease, but the homosexuality as a brave rebellion against the opporession of society. I think they weren't up to this trial.

[lara]

The View just made fun of Gwenyth.

[lawgirl]

Russell Crowe got totally screwed and as a very big fan of his, I am heartbroken. I think he definitely should have won. Thank god he already has one. I was glad to see Ron Howard win, and the film win overall.

[mafree]

Well I'll offer congratulations, history WAS made tonight.

But I hope after the recognition and enjoyment of the moment, that there will be a lessening of all the accusations about race. Honestly, are there very many people still left who thought that those Black actors and actresses DIDN'T have a legitimate shot at winning? Even in Hollywood, I think that that barrier has mostly been crossed over and dismantled.

In many ways it has and I do hope the NAACP will do less complaining about how Blacks are treated at Oscar time.

[oldvike]

my beef is with some who now want to chalk it up to affirmative action just because the winner is Black.

I'll do no such thing. Denzel won because he played a new type of character this year. A thug. He usually plays a good guy and was able to totally transform himself for this one role and do it wonderfully. That showed what a great actor he is and thus cemented his victory. Having said that, I still say that he should have won best actor for "Remember the Titans" 2 years ago.

[Neets]

based on what you are saying...it would be fair for me to say that all you have accomplished has been due to you being a preferenced minority. Is that really the chip you want to bear?

You sound almost like someone else who used to ride mafree about a chip she had...I don't always agree with mafree,,but I always look forward to her posts..

[Jorge]

I kinda thought the reporters were offensive. I mean, they were talking to Halle (sp?) like she was a little child who had just learned how to pee in the toilet. They were like "Good little Halle..... goood girl.....who's my little angel?.....good little black girl." It was demeaning to her, yet she lapped it up.

Thank you! I was thinking the same thing.

It amazes me that some black people will accept this sort of condescending, patronizing BS.
Don't they realize how insulting it really is? Pathetic!

[latina4dubya]

and my beef is that actors and actresses win for other reasons than having a best performance, such as "they were due." or that actors such as Russell Crowe lose because of his attitude or whatever... that should have nothing to do with why a person wins... it should be the performance for that particular role for which he/she was nominated... i'm not saying Denzel did not deserve this Oscar... i'm just saying in my opinion, he got this one because he was due... and this whole campaigning thing is just stupid... either you deserve it or you don't--at least that's the way it ought to be... it's a matter of opinion... in my opinion, Russell was ripped off...

[doug from upland]

Wow, apparently Tom Cruise has been in many situations where he helped save people. Good for him.

[mafree]

you don't like being reminded that race sometimes matters.

That's the problem with you liberal thinkers (and it is liberal thinking), race should not have mattered, only the performances should have. I guess you're also in support of affirmative action, quotas and all of that BS. I believe Halle deserved it, but not Denzel.

Earth to doughterty-- it isn't liberal to recognize that race sometimes matters. Is it liberal to speak it out loud? Good Black folks on FR don't remind everyone of past or present racism?

You would do well to not try to guess my views on other issues just because of what I've said on this thread. You want to know what I think about an issue ask me, OK?

[rbmillerjr]

and I do hope the NAACP will do less complaining about how Blacks are treated at Oscar time.

...for being into the whole race perpetuating thing, you're not very politically astute about race politics,,,,,,,of course the Naacp will cry and whine at the next focal point of opression. We are nearly 40 years past CRA64...and Halle thinks she just refused to give up her seat. What an insult to Rosa Parks.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Its the exception when there is an Oscar ceremony that doesn't have some controversial winners. So many deserving actors and movies have been passed over and ignored for some reason or other. Just in the last few years wasn't there an incredible actor who had never won until they presented him a gimme for an underwhelming performance, basically as a 'lifetime achievement'? I forget who it was, but it had been a disgrace that he had not won during all those years. That's just Hollyweird.

[mafree]

Excuse me, but no black kids in my school had to endure one fifth of the ridicule I went through when Laugh-In was on TV and featured the Farkle Family. You have NO IDEA how horrible it was for me, the tallest, palest, brightest-haired target in town (so it seemed when I was 12) but that's okay. I guess it only hurts and holds him back if someone calls a kid a racist name.

Do you think there's only room in my mind or heart for the oppression of Blacks? Just because I say something about one kind of oppression doesn't mean I'm unaware of other kinds. I know what redheads have had to endure but there were no "redhead" restrooms or water fountains sanctioned by the law were there?

[nunya bidness]

Everyone here needs to get over themselves.

You might not like who won (Halle, Denzel) but they won and the time they spent in the spotlight was theirs.

[Sir Gawain]

That's happened more than once in Oscar history- my beef is with some who now want to chalk it up to affirmative action just because the winner is Black.

Well you can thank affirmative action for the kneejerk reaction many people have whenever they see a black succeed.

[mafree]

AHHHH,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"the operational definition of racism".......that clears alot of things up regarding your thoughts on this.

You're that kind of conservative. You take the limited definition of racism etc. that you get in a college textbood, as opposed to the version that is provided in legal foundation.

The operational definition of something is how it actually affects things in the real world. My parents taught me that long before I started college.