Parents drug use, sex lives steal focus: (Van Dam's reveal intimate details, more questions arise!)

Court TV ^ | March 16, 2002 | Court TV

[sharktrager]

Actually, the testimony is pretty incriminating:

San Diego police Detective James Watkins testified that police copied the hard drives of four personal computers, including a laptop and a Palm Pilot, in Westerfield's home. They also seized three disks and three CD-ROMS found in an envelope on a bookcase in the house.

Westerfield's computer files were "highly organized" into various folders and subfolders, some with titles that made sexual references, said Watkins, a computer-forensics specialist.

Although police found thousands of pictures on the hard drives and disks, fewer than 100 were of a "questionable" nature, Watkins testified.

The latter category included pictures of young females engaged in sexual poses and acts with animals; minor females engaged in sexual poses or sex acts; and graphic animated cartoons depicting young girls being bound with rope or leather and sexually assaulted, Watkins said.

Westerfield's collection of computer photos also included pictures of his girlfriend's daughter in a bikini, Watkins said. The girl was in her "early to mid-teens" and was pictured in various poses that might be interpreted as sexually provocative, Watkins testified.

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There is also a video of Watkin's testimony where he is asked about pictures and says:

There are pictures that appear to be girls under the age of 18. They appear to be in sexually explicit poses.

The lawyer asks:

Do they also appear to be engaged in sexual acts?

To which Watkins responds:

Yes sir.

[MizSterious]

There seems to be a problem here. The testimony I heard, and that was recorded by other freepers, was as listed above in #133, and directly conflicts with the account by the San Diego Union-Tribune. This is one of those times when I wish we had the official court transcripts. I remain unsure about the porn at this time, because of these contradictions. And I also recall the SD U-T reporting that the motor home was so full of clorox fumes that the dogs wouldn't even enter it. At the hearing, we found that wasn't true. I'm starting to think the best source for information is the much derided "gossip," which, at least, has been pretty accurate.

[Kerensky]

Another money source might be sales of XXX videos of their...get-togethers. Some time back, it was said they did find such videos in the garage. They would be easy to sell via the internet, I'd imagine.

It's possible; maybe when Brenda says to the media she "sells books to libraries", she is actually making the rounds of San Diego area houses of sleaze and Adult bookstores with her collection of amateur tapes. Are there any librarians down there that have done business with Brenda and throw some light on this?

Drug distribution can be far more lucrative, however.

[sharktrager]

Well, there is a link on the page to a video showing exactly what I described above.

The video

[MizSterious]

Videos crash my computer lately. However, since we seem to be getting such wildly different reports, I'm going to wait to comment further on the porn until we see something from the court reporters, if they ever release them.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Can you show me link to where you wer freeping with swingers. How prevelant is this lifestyle? I must have lived my life in a closet. Thanks.

[MizSterious]

See post #137 on this thread, just for openers. People like this appear on several of these threads, some opening admitting it like this person, others alluding to it, still others simply stating they see nothing wrong with it (which makes me wonder, too).

[rolling_stone]

Thanks for supplying the video, a couple of points when asked about the girls with animals, he stated sexual poses AND OR sexual acts, leaving room for the possibility that they were only sexual poses...

when asked later about whether they were sexual poses and sexual acts, the detective had to pause and look at all of the pages before he added yes sexual acts...

the video does not show the cross exam which included statements attributed to Detective Armstrong who found no prepubescent pictures

from questions asked by defense on cross exam, I surmise that the females could well be 18 or over but some may look younger by fact of underdevelopment and other things that could be modified to make them look prepubescent....remember the Prosecution wants to paint a bad picture and it may well be bad but that remains to be seen...I can imagine someone being curious and looking a pics like that once but to keep them if they are real child porn is IMO unnatural, but not necessarily indicative of guilt of rape and murder

I have a hard time believing one time sexual/violence predators can risk everything for a sexual/violence urge, but apparently it happens...For someone to act on a sexual or violent urge and put their whole life, reputation and good things they have done at risk baffles me. Clearly anyone who molests and kills children (or adults) has a screw loose and should be delt with severely. For those that follow Darwin, does not self survival rank higher in priorities that survival of species?

[Kerensky]

WAS CHLOROFORM USED?

I also recall the SD U-T reporting that the motor home was so full of clorox fumes that the dogs wouldn't even enter it.

It has been suggested that the kidnapper employed chloroform (CHCl₃) to knock out Danielle during her abduction and subsequent captivity. It would be important to determine how long vapors would linger in an enclosed space after use of chloroform. Places to use chloroform would be Danielle's room, and at any time afterwards when she began to stir. Was anything unusual sniffed in the van Dam house on the morning of Feb 1st?

It was noted in Danielle's autopsy that fluid was found in the lungs. Was this a natural by-product of death and decomposition or exposure to a chemical irritant?

It appears that chloroform can cause "chemical pneumonia". In addition, the liver may be damaged and the eyes burned. In Danielle's case the eyes were gone and the liver partly gone. Chloroform is heavy relative to air and will settle in low and confined areas. Note that the Danielle's room door was found open as well as the sliding glass door the floor below - was this done to allow the vapors to leave the house?

Hazardous Material Report: Chloroform

Please also note from the coroner's testimony:

Coroner "transcript"

[13:43] body mummified
[13:43] eyes gone
[13:44] destroyed by animals
[13:44] skin and muscles gone
[13:44] legs gown to bone, foot absent
[13:44] he put body in body bag and sheet
[13:45] bagged hands, feet and head
[13:45] I guess it was a good place to leave a body if you wanted it destroyed
[13:45] hands were intact?
[13:45] what of clothing?
[13:45] no clothes
[13:45] he said no clothes also 

[13:46] autopsy the next day
[13:46] bug expert at autopsy
[13:46] entolomogst on staff
[13:46] photos taken - about 15 on scene - 30 at 4 hour 
autopsy
[13:47] trace evidenc - like clipping fingernails and
 mouth swabs taken then
[13:47] diagram made
[13:47] open chest and abdomen
[13:47] describe external exam
[13:48] animal activity and decomposition
[13:48] both earrings
[13:48] hair and earring described
[13:48] both earrings there -
[13:48] plastic necklace
[13:48] no clothes
[13:48] the back was missing from the left one
[13:48] face entact, mummiffied
[13:49] skin of face intact but mummified
[13:50] below ribcage, organs missing
[13:50] bowel parts missing, from animals
[13:51] chest organs intact
[13:51] fluid in pleural cavity - taken for exam
[13:51] heart and lungs seemed normal
[13:51] though decomposing
[13:51] bowel pulled from body
[13:51] all genitalia missing
[13:51] rectum partly there, severely decomposed
[13:51] heart normal
[13:51] lungs had some edema - better preserved than the rest of the organs
[13:51] below the rib cage
[13:51] missing rgans due to animal activity
[13:51] liver part there - bowel part here
[13:51] animals had been at her

Will the coroner toxicology report, when released, address the question of exposure to chloroform or other anesthetic agents>

[FresnoDA]

>>the VD's lifestyle is bizarre to say the least

They need to run for Congress

BUMP!!!!

[Kerensky]

BTW, I smoked two hits of pot last night and drank a pint of Harp around midnight -- about two hours after my kids went to sleep. I also had wild sex with a woman who is not my wife. And guess what? Both my kids woke up smiling in their respective beds this morning.

I assume you are not a follower of God's laws or a believer in the Judeo-Christian belief system.

For those of us that are, who experience the same lusts and desires, and even on occasion partake of them, know in the end that there will be an accounting. We believe and return to the knowledge that a spiritual battle is waging around us and what may appear to be peace and safety is in fact a fool's paradise.

[FresnoDA]

Here is a quick synopsis of VD's, contradiction in testimony to previous statements (LIES?)

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Brenda van Dam said she barely knew Westerfield, but as the story came out with her on the stand, she knew a bit more. She knew not only that his kitchen had been redone but that he was a "rich neighbor" interested in meeting her friends and that he was interested in adult parties. (Not "family affairs, please note - but ADULT parties) She had his name and number and expected he would be at Dad's on February 1st.

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Has Brenda been sexually intimate with Barbara? She was asked in court and obviously did not want to respond. That's OK, there was an objection made and she didn't have to answer - but her face told me that she is holding secrets and protecting people - and I think her priorities are screwed up.

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"He said, 'I have adult parties and barbecues,'" Brenda said under oath.

When she got home, she called her husband Damon.

She denied making the call out of disbelief because she didn't realize there were others in her neighborhood engaged in the "swinging" lifestyle.

"I called my husband at work because it struck me as odd that he mentioned they were adult parties and I didn't know what he meant by that," she testified.

Judge Domnitz stopped the witness from answering when Feldman asked her to explain a "swinging lifestyle." Instead, the judge asked her: "Do you know what a swinging lifestyle is?"

"Yes," she answered.

I think the woman was being less than honest in her testimony - and when Damon was asked about this conversation he couldn't remember much.

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I don't believe the van Dams told the SDPD about the marijuana right off - - and Brenda SURE didn't want to admit in court that Rich had supplied the grass that night.

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...at one point the group outside the bar to smoke the remainder of the marijuana cigarette in her truck, van Dam testified.

I don't think that's all they did. One marijuana cigarette for the whole night? In the garage Damon got 2 hits - each female 3 or 4. Then there were at least 5 people smoking off the rest of that joint in the parking lot? No 2nd or 3rd joint?

Nope - I don't believe it.

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Barbara and Damon had "a relationship". Not clear how long that had been going on.

On the night of the murder, they were on his bed together necking and petting until Brenda told them to stop being rude and to join the party. I will note Brenda did NOT bring the others upstairs to join the fun. I personally don't think Brenda was as into the "swinging" idea as Damon was. JMO.
Damon van Dam admitted under questioning by Feldman that he had not told investigators about those events until after Barbara was questioned separately and the investigators came back to him.

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Then we have a mother who says she is very careful - - but we know she leaves the kids home alone - alone in dressing rooms and stores. Are we really to think she KNOWS that Danielle never was in DW's RV when it was parked in his yard? I don't believe for a minute that Brenda can swear to that.

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There are other things that will come out - - the lies came from the van Dam house. I think that is important to note.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

I would love to send you the links, but with the new FR Format I can't get the threads where it was discussed. I tried a google search, but it's not there yet. It's also possible that the whole thread was removed due to grosseness.

Fresno might have it archived.

[FresnoDA]

Fill me in, what are ya looking for???

[FresnoDA]

L O L !!!!  BUMP

POWAY BAR SUFFERS FROM VAN DAM 'SWINGERS CLUB' RUMORS

( 03-16-2002 ) - The city of Poway isn't universally known for its bar scene, but in the aftermath of the Danielle van Dam kidnapping and murder, one of its local watering holes is getting some unwanted attention.

Dad's Cafe is the bar where Brenda van Dam shared a few drinks with David Westerfield the night her daughter disappeared. Westerfield is the van Dam's neighbor in Sabre Springs who is currently on trial for the kidnapping and murder of seven-year-old Danielle.

The owner of Dad's Cafe has not allowed media to enter his establishment since the Danielle van Dam story began, but he said that he was tired of rumors that his establishment was a swingers club.

And locals said that it is also a restaurant, and that many families are often patrons.

"Dads is and has always been very comfortable, very relaxed, and welcoming," said one Dad's patron. "It makes me mad when I hear people call it a swingers place."

Brenda van Dam testified in court this week that she and two female friends were at Dad's the night Danielle was kidnapped, as was Westerfield. Her testimony also revealed that the women danced provocatively and smoked marijuana in the bar's parking lot.

Danielle van Dam was first reported missing on the morning of February 2. She was last seen when her father, Damon van Dam, tucked her into bed at approximately 10 p.m. Friday. Her body was later found after Westerfield was arrested.

[FresnoDA]

Memorial for slain San Diego 7-year-old girl

By Leonard Novarro
REUTERS

March 16, 2002

Associated Press

Brenda van Dam, second from left, hugs her son Derek, left, as her other son, Dylan, third from left, sits with his father and her husband, Damon, during a memorial service Saturday.

SAN DIEGO – A folk quartet sang spirituals and volunteers handed out lapel buttons with Danielle van Dam's smiling face Saturday as friends and family gathered to remember the 7-year-old girl whose abduction and murder shocked the nation.

Nearly 400 people braved heavy winds and a brief downpour to attend the memorial service at a park overlooking the Pacific Ocean that was one of the blond, blue-eyed child's favorite places to visit.

"We will always cherish the time we spent with her," said her father, Damon, who broke down during the ceremony when reading a tribute to his daughter. "Her favorite places were the school, the park and especially the beach."

The 50-minute memorial, which ended with the release of dozens of pink and purple balloons into the partially overcast sky, came two days after the 50-year-old neighbor charged with abducting and murdering van Dam was ordered to stand trial.

David Westerfield, a self-employed engineer who lived two doors away from the van Dams, has pleaded innocent to possession of child pornography and to charges of kidnapping and murdering Danielle.

Her badly decomposed body was discovered in a rural area outside San Diego on Feb. 27, a month after she was snatched from her suburban bedroom in the middle of the night.

Westerfield, who is twice divorced, became a prime suspect early on, in part because he took a trip to the desert the day after Danielle vanished and cleaned his motor home upon returning.

Some in the crowd cried and hugged each other during the ceremony during which several of Danielle's friends and classmates read tributes to the girl and visitors signed a children's blanket.

The Rev. Joseph Acton, the van Dam family pastor, tried to explain why Danielle's abduction and murder affected so many people.

"We all feel like Danielle was our own child," Acton said from a podium flanked by two large portraits of the little girl. "Some deep wound in us has been opened by her being taken away."

The Rev. Joseph Acton, the van Dam family pastor

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[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Hmmmm...where are all the people who were insisting this was all just speculation and rumor, and that this house was a healthy environment for a child?

That poor little girl.

[FresnoDA]

where are all the people who were insisting this was all just speculation and rumor

Ditto....they are now saying that it was their "personal life"...BRAVO SIERRA...

the VD's must be held accountable for the facts known..

KNOWN DRUG ABUSERS

KNOWN TO DRINK AND DRIVE

KNOWN TO CONDONE AN "OPEN MARRIAGE"

All are great libertarian values.....

But one would question not a very safe (AS IS OBVIOUS) environment for children.....

Where is the San Diego County CPS agency???  Is POWAY exempt from their jurisdiction??? (sarcasm/off)

[NYCVirago]

I love this definition:

NONSMOKER
Does not smoke. If used in personal ad means only those who do not smoke are sought for swinging purposes.

Hey, it's okay if you swing from the chandeliers with any Tom, Dick or Harry, but just don't be a smoker!

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Hey, it's okay if you swing from the chandeliers with any Tom, Dick or Harry, but just don't be a smoker!

Yeah, smoking is disgusting!