Parents drug use, sex lives steal focus: (Van Dam's reveal intimate details, more questions arise!)

Court TV ^ | March 16, 2002 | Court TV

[FresnoDA]

Pot usage, admission to active affairs, with Brenda's consent....the VD's lifestyle is bizarre to say the least....what makes it most unusual...is that meshed between their debauchery are 3 children......

As the drumbeat in San Diego increases...the question grows louder???

Where is CPS (Child Protective Services).....?

[FresnoDA]

PING....))) Does the admission by Damon to an active and ongoing affair with Barb Eastman change the scenario of the evenings events??? I think it does....

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

Where does it say that he is having an active and ongoing affair with Barbara?

[FresnoDA]

Well, he said he is intimate with her, and they were on the bed, smooching...that is pretty active, don't cha' believe?

[FresnoDA]

I believe Hillary the following is now known:

We have the father admitting to an affair with a woman who is out with the wife, both women can vouch for each other as alibi's.

If Brenda knew about the affair and had an attitude with Barbara, WHY was she going out with her? (She seemed to have an attitude in her testimony with Barbara)

I wonder how Damon felt that his wife and girlfriend were going out?

Could Damon and Barbara have organized this?

Barbara keeps Brenda out of the house, Damon is free to plant evidence/ditch the body.

I wonder if there was forced entry anywhere at DW's house?

Damon was aware that DW would be in attendance that night.

Then we have Danielle writing an apology letter to her father the night she disappears, while the wife and father's girlfriend are out, and is left in the care of her father.

Could Danielle have found something out that night that angered Damon?

[tutstar]

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[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

They are swingers. From what the FR swingers have explained to me is that they are the most loving and responsible couples and parents that there are. They don't get jealous and they don't have affairs. They just have sex with other people for recreation.

[Jaded]

I'd go with one of the folks from the party. They can't even say with certainty when they got home, when they went to bed. Only that they were stoned. Why would somebody who was hitting on Brenda and her friends with no known predelection for children abduct, assault and drag a child? Heck, Brenda can't even tell ya who she danced with for 3 hours or who she kissed or if she kissed in the truck.

[MizSterious]

Where is CPS indeed--any more information on the cryptic testimony about the child abuse unit having visited the household (in the time before Danielle was abducted)? If so, why? Therein lies a story. Wonder if it will come out during the trial?

[sharktrager]

Why would somebody who was hitting on Brenda and her friends with no known predelection for children...

Well, the guy had incrimiating pictures on his computer, including some featuring a former girlfriend and her under-age daughter.

Sounds like a predelection to me.

[MizSterious]

One article I found on "swinging" stated that often it's agreed that all "swinging" be done by both spouses mutually--that if one of them goes it alone, that is considered cheating. Anyone else know more about this? I thought perhaps that was what was going on when Brenda told the smooching, backrubbing duo that it was "rude" not to join the others. And then there is the (strong) possibility that the missus was seeing Westerfield while the mister was at work--what kind of dynamics might that create?

[Andyman]

They are swingers. From what the FR swingers have explained to me is that they are the most loving and responsible couples and parents that there are. They don't get jealous and they don't have affairs. They just have sex with other people for recreation.

Let me get this right. Smoking marijuana in the house, getting tanked regularly, having sex with near strangers (with the risk of STDs), putting your kids at risk by being unable to protect them because you are high or hung over or not at home . . these are signs of loving and responsible parents? What a pile of CRAP.

[DreamWeaver]

Well, he said he is intimate with her, and they were on the bed, smooching...that is pretty active, don't cha' believe?

So, it appears that their " swinging lifestyle" was not so secret " behind locked garage doors" to keep from their children. It's difficult to believe these children were NOT exposed to their parents deviate sexual behavior.

I think these children saw MUCH more than young minds should. Sad, very sad. Sad because their parents allowed perverts and immoral "friends" into their home and God only knows if this led to the awful tragedy of their daughter.

[Drango]

Let me get this right. Smoking marijuana in the house, getting tanked regularly, having sex with near strangers (with the risk of STDs), putting your kids at risk by being unable to protect them because you are high or hung over or not at home . . these are signs of loving and responsible parents? What a pile of CRAP.

Of course these are NOT a perfect couple. They appear to be SCUM...But even SCUM don't deserve to have their child abducted/murdered. If they did there would be millions of child murders every year.

Focus, I repeat FOCUS, on the murder of the child, not the sins of the parents...

[Commander8]

It is true that there is something not ethically kosher about the lifestyle of Brenda and Damon Van Dam's lifestyle and their fitness as parents are in question, however we should keep in mind that David Westerfield is on trial.

[RnMomof7]

They are swingers. From what the FR swingers have explained to me is that they are the most loving and responsible couples and parents that there are. They don't get jealous and they don't have affairs. They just have sex with other people for recreation.

Ohhh you left out that "the best sex " they ever had was with the wife they pimp out to friends and strangers...The denial is do thick ya could cut it with a knife

Most of these "men " are interested in perverted sex and they twist the little woman's arm to participate...that way the can have their Hetrosexual/homosexual play date with the little womans permission....but I wonder if their wives have to get numb like Brenda does with alcohol and drugs before playing the whore role?

What great role models hubh?

[Slyfox]

But the girl's disappearance and murder quickly took a back seat to questions about her parents' drug use, drinking habits and sex life.

As well it should. If the parent's lack of proper conduct invited a pedophile into the home because they were too busy screwing with other people and stoned to boot, then their sex lives are on the table for all of us to analyze.

I'd like to ask, what about those two guys who followed the girls home that night, Keith and that other guy. Are they swinging pals of Westerfield's also? Or enemies? Lot's of questions just with the people who were on that premises that night.

And to think that they could possibly think that their sex lives were their own business. Now it is everyone's business, and not because we want it that way.

[FresnoDA]

Most of these "men " are interested in perverted sex and they twist the little woman's arm to participate...that way the can have their Hetrosexual/homosexual play date with the little womans permission....but I wonder if their wives have to get numb like Brenda does with alcohol and drugs before playing the whore role?

POST OF THE MONTH!!! BUMP!!

[FresnoDA]

I'd like to ask, what about those two guys who followed the girls home that night, Keith and that other guy. Are they swinging pals of Westerfield's also? Or enemies? Lot's of questions just with the people who were on that premises that night.

Golitely is on to something big time....there is a very explicit SWINGER CODE OF ETHICS!! (In know, major oxymoronic!)

Westerfield was a new rooster, on the existing swinger roosters turf.

Now old Damon, Keith, Rich and Bill Tibby(LOL) had the rule of the roost with Barb, Denise, Brenda, (Susan Winterspoon(?) and who knows how many other female types....)

It would seem that Westerfield was running competition down the street, with his own "adult parties" you bring the salad, he brings the meat!!  EXACT QUOTE OF BRENDA VD!!

So....was this the Van Dam Roosters....taking out Westerfield and his roosters?????

When I read about the VD's and their pals, I think of Mutual of Omaha's WILD KINGDOM....They are functioning at the most base level....

I will try to find the official SWINGERS GUIDE OF ETHICS for you all to see....it is a crack up...LOL

[Andyman]

. . . But even SCUM don't deserve to have their child abducted/murdered.

NOBODY deserves to have their child abducted/murdered. However, when you have the kind of lifestyle these two did, you are more prone to having your child abducted/murdered. Therefore, they are, through their lifestyle, at least a little responsible for the death of their child.

There is no way to protect a child from everyting, but reducing the risks your child will face is an important part of parenting. If these two were not "swingers", their child would be alive today.