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Does Freedom of the Press Include "Islam Sucks"?
Cornell Daily Sun ^ | March 12, 2002 | JOSH PLOTNIK

Posted on 03/15/2002 3:02:56 AM PST by ml/nj

"Some religions suck more than others, though, and one of them is Islam. It's not Muslims that I dislike -- I just dislike their faith."

Wow, Joe Fisher is a columnist for The South End, the student newspaper at Wayne State University in Detroit, and this quote is from his Feb. 26 column, "Islam Sucks," which I read in utter disbelief. Although I disagreed with everything Fisher said, I was most amazed that he chose to write such an outlandish piece.

Fisher's column was perceived as a symbol of hate by dozens of readers who wrote infuriated letters to the editor as well as by many who probably didn't write letters. Of course, when I read some of these letters, I saw hate just as strong from Muslim readers.

Ray Dabaja, a member of the Wayne State University community, wrote:

"Nor would Fisher imagine how it would sound to accuse Judaism when the Zionist criminals committed all their crimes in Lebanon and in Palestine today. It was not Sept. 11 that created this hate but it was that day that gave the chance to those creatures to spit all their poisons."

One might expect the cycle of hate to be perpetuated in letters written in response to Fisher's poorly written column. This vicious cycle is accentuated by Fisher's insincerity.

Two days after the column was published, Fisher submitted a public apology in which he referred to a past column he'd written about boycotting ... "Arab-owned stations because the profits may be used to fund terrorism."

Yet again, his views appear racist and absurd, despite his going on to say:

"I didn't mean the things I wrote in the way that I twisted them. I wrote it to see if some people would react as poorly as expected."

"Islam sucks" is not an example of what freedom of the press should mean. Fisher said his article was an intentional exaggeration, construed to show people they take religion too seriously.

But he should have made his point more clear to readers, rather than writing a column to enrage readers by shocking them into attention. For this reason, The South End erred in publishing Fisher's article.

If Fisher had truly believed that "Islam sucks," then his views -- regardless of how despicable we may find them -- should be published. Any journalist who is willing to express his views to the world in a professional and educational way is doing his job.

If The South End stands as a paper, which will publish its columnists' work regardless of the basic theme, then I applaud it. But I am angered by Fisher's ignorance, his unfounded display of prejudice and his disgusting misuse of the free press.

Ted Rall, a Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist, published early last week a cartoon, "Terror Widows," which some national newspapers ran. The New York Times, however, withdrew the cartoon from its website after receiving numerous complaints from readers and Sept. 11 widows.

Many people found the cartoon offensive, because it showed widows overcome with greed, thinking more about money than the deaths of their husbands.

One skit features a news anchor asking a widow: "So, when your husband called you from the 104th floor, he knew he was going to die?"

She responds: "Oh yes, he was on fire! By the way, Larry, that's a bitchin' tie!"

Many readers may agree that some of the wives of the Sept. 11 victims have shown shameful greed over the terrorist funds, which are being distributed.

Others may agree that another skit, which potentially misrepresents Daniel Pearl's wife as a greedy woman, was wrongfully defamatory.

But Rall is a Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist, and I am saddened by the New York Times' decision to withdraw the cartoon, merely because the paper disagreed with its content or feared further backlash from readers -- backlash which could injure the paper's reputation.

Student-run college newspapers may feel they have less to lose than national papers, but any publication which fails to print a cartoon or a column -- because it disagrees with the content or because it fears negative reader response -- is wrong.

My support for freedom of the press, however, does not apply to Fisher, because he crossed the line between constructive criticism and disrespect.

In his column, he later says:

"Fortunately, we have a secular public school system in America that can deprogram the children of Muslim immigrants and help them adopt more productive values."
"Islam Sucks" was not a piece, which focused on the true opinion of a writer but was only the exaggerated hate of a college student who wanted attention.

The South End makes a respectable journalistic decision every time it publishes the authentic ideas of its columnist, but it exercised poor judgment in appointing Joe Fisher to the board of writers.

Copyright © 2002 by The Cornell Daily Sun, Inc.
All rights reserved.


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KEYWORDS: academialist; clashofcivilizatio; cornelldailysun; islamsucks
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I sent the CDS this letter the next day:
Your Josh Plotnick thinks it is "outlandish" to say "Islam Sucks." I say it is irresponsible not to say it.

Islam is pure and simple a military organization that advocates subduing and/or killing infidels. In a country which doesn't tolerate a religion that advocates polygamy, surely we do not need to tolerate those who advocate killing Christians, Jews, and others. It doesn't just advocate killing, Islam practices it. Wander around the globe to Indonesia, the Sudan, India, Lebanon, Israel, and ... lower Manhattan; and open your eyes.

Read their own =Quran=. Read Ibn Warraq's =Why I am not a Muslim.= Read Bat Ye'or's =Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam= or her =The Dhimmi=.

Look at the way the Muslims treat women - their own women! Watch the Muslims pronounce death sentences on people who write books. Does anything else Mr. Plotnick thinks a religion issue "fatwas"?

Please! You folks may dwell in ivory towers up in Ithaca, but this is not Never land.

So far as I can tell my letter has not been published (yet?).

ML/NJ

1 posted on 03/15/2002 3:02:56 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Islam Sucks!
2 posted on 03/15/2002 3:09:27 AM PST by antienvironmentalist
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To: ml/nj
Christianity has been fair game for writers, authors and artists(?) for years, especially in this country. Much of it has been extremely offensive and most complaints from Christians have fallen on deaf ears, even when the blasphemy was supported by the Federal government. Why should this be any different? Is it PC to be selective to who we criticize and what words we use?
3 posted on 03/15/2002 3:11:39 AM PST by germanicus
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To: ml/nj
Islam Sucks!!!!!
4 posted on 03/15/2002 3:11:55 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: ml/nj
Does Freedom of the Press Include "Islam Sucks"?

In a word, "yes." End of discussion.
5 posted on 03/15/2002 3:13:13 AM PST by pt17
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To: ml/nj
It's not Muslims that I dislike -- I just dislike their faith."

While I agree that he has a right to say whatever he wants, this statement shows the basic stupidity of our college population. He makes no attempt to separate the person from the religion. It is as if he said, "It's not Catholics I dislike -- I just dislike their faith" or "It's not Jews I dislike -- I just think that their faith sucks." Obviously he doesn't realize that he is contradicting himself.

6 posted on 03/15/2002 3:29:52 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: ml/nj

Christians Must Convert to Islam or Be Cursed Like the Jews

O you people of the book [Christians]! Believe in what we have now sent down, fulfilling that which is with you, before we destroy some of your leaders and turn them on their backs or curse them as we cursed the people of the Sabbath [Jews]. (From the "peaceful" Muslim Koran, 4:47)

"Believe in what we have now sent down...."
(Firefighters killed at the World Trade Center)

Photographs do not capture the horror of it
(Witnesses saw airline passengers raining from the sky "like confetti")

Six months later (March 11, 2002)
Two banks of spotlights extend from Ground Zero to the heavens in memory of the thousands of innocent Americans massacred by Islamic butchers.

7 posted on 03/15/2002 3:31:30 AM PST by majordivit
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To: ml/nj
But Rall is a Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist, and I am saddened by the New York Times' decision to withdraw the cartoon, merely because the paper disagreed with its content or feared further backlash from readers -- backlash which could injure the paper's reputation...my support for freedom of the press, however, does not apply to Fisher, because he crossed the line between constructive criticism and disrespect.

Here's the crux of this idiot's aurguement-it's ok for a pulitzer prize winner to offend, but not joe blow college newspaper writer.

Does freedom of the press include "islam sucks"? You're f!@#in' a right is does.

8 posted on 03/15/2002 3:33:19 AM PST by GATOR NAVY
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Islam sucks, Islam sucked, Islam will suck, Islam has sucked, Islam has been sucking, Islam will be sucking, Islam will have been sucking...In short, no matter what time or mood, Islam will always suck.
9 posted on 03/15/2002 3:38:32 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Islam sucks worse than anything that has ever sucked before.
10 posted on 03/15/2002 3:57:56 AM PST by Maceman
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To: ml/nj
Islam Sucks!
Islam Sucks!
Islam Sucks!


...nuff said.
11 posted on 03/15/2002 4:04:12 AM PST by reagan_fanatic
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To: ml/nj
The ideologies of Islam and Nazism are very similar, if Islam can't be criticized in any way (maybe we're already living under Sharia law), then to be consistent Hitler's Nazi state cannot be criticized either. We are forced to accept Fascism ---which means we're already living under a Fascist state ourselves.
12 posted on 03/15/2002 4:10:30 AM PST by FITZ
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Ithaca is the City of Evil.

As noted on another thread, there is a prevalent mindset at Cornell and the rest of Ithaca wherein the left considers any criticism of leftist ideas (ie, cartoonist Rall's) to be censorship, while at the same time calling for the eradication of conservative, or politically incorrect, speech.

13 posted on 03/15/2002 4:13:17 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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Does Freedom of the Press Include "Islam Sucks"?

Yes, of course it does, just as it includes my right to ignore illiterate uninformed writers who chose to write about something they obviously know very little about.

It also includes my right to recognize from your comments that you are as uninformed as the person you comment about. You appear to have about the same mentality as the person who blames the gun for someone's harm, the pencil for misspelled words, and the religion for someone's actions. Someday you may discover the clues, God willing, that so far have eluded you.

14 posted on 03/15/2002 4:14:06 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: ml/nj
I wish I had enough spare money to register the domain name Islamsucks.com, I would've sold it for a good profit.
15 posted on 03/15/2002 4:14:42 AM PST by Brett66
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To: ml/nj
My support for freedom of the press, however, does not apply to Fisher, because he crossed the line between constructive criticism and disrespect.

Why shouldn't the press be free to disrespect?

16 posted on 03/15/2002 4:20:45 AM PST by ez
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I may not like what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Go 1st ammendment!
17 posted on 03/15/2002 4:27:14 AM PST by mcook4
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To: MosesKnows
It also includes my right to recognize from your comments that you are as uninformed as the person you comment about. You appear to have about the same mentality as the person who blames the gun for someone's harm, the pencil for misspelled words, and the religion for someone's actions. Someday you may discover the clues, God willing, that so far have eluded you.

Oh, Grate One.
Teach Me.

ML/NJ

18 posted on 03/15/2002 4:46:24 AM PST by ml/nj
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But Rall is a Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist, and I am saddened by the New York Times' decision to withdraw the cartoon, merely because the paper disagreed with its content or feared further backlash from readers -- backlash which could injure the paper's reputation.

My support for freedom of the press, however, does not apply to Fisher, because he crossed the line between constructive criticism and disrespect.

So Rall's patently offensive and disresprectful cartoon is really just constructive criticism? Why, because he has a Pulitzer Prize? Sheeeshh.

19 posted on 03/15/2002 4:47:10 AM PST by benjaminthomas
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The author states:

"My support for freedom of the press, however, does not apply to Fisher, because he crossed the line between constructive criticism and disrespect."

Fortunately, I do not need the authors "support for freedom of the press," I've got the following support:

Missouri Constitution

Bill of Rights

Section 8

"Section 8. That no law shall be passed impairing the freedom of speech, no matter by what means communicated: that every person shall be free to say, write or publish, or otherwise communicate whatever he will on any subject,..."

U.S. Constitution

Amendment I

"Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;"

Rights are inalienable, absolute, and categorical.

20 posted on 03/15/2002 4:50:07 AM PST by tahiti
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