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WOULD THOMAS JEFFERSON THINK WE ARE FREE?
Unknown | Unknown | Steven L. Hayes and Charles Adams

Posted on 01/08/2002 10:30:15 PM PST by Angelique

WOULD THOMAS JEFFERSON THINK WE ARE FREE?
By Steven L. Hayes and Charles Adams

What if Jefferson were to revisit America today?

Thomas Jefferson was born on April 13, 1743. In his lifetime he saw his country transformed from an English colony to a country ruled by its own citizens. Remembered by many as the author of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson also served as President and guided the young nation through eight turbulent years. When Jefferson died on July 4, 1826 at the age of 83, he left a country and a people whose commitment to the ideas of the Declaration of Independence seemed firmly in place.

On this April 13,just after dinner, there is a knock on your door. When you open the door, you see a tall slender man with red hair. He introduces himself as Thomas Jefferson. You don't automatically slam the door and call the police but, almost against your will, you invite him in your home. Somehow you accept that this man is not an escapee from an asylum but that he really is Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson is curious about everything and has a number of questions for you. He marvels at all the new technology in your home. He insists on a lengthy explanation and demonstration of all the appliances and machines in your home. Amazed at how quickly he understands the new technologies, you suddenly remember the statement made by President John Kennedy when he hosted a gathering of Nobel Prize winners at the White House. President Kennedy said, "This is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

His attention is drawn to the dining room table and the numerouscomplicated-looking forms with numbers like "1040" or "W2" or "1099" on them. He politely asks, "What are you doing?"

You feel uncomfortable, almost as if you have a guilty conscience, but you aren't sure why. You answer, "Each year on April 15, Americans are required to file an income tax return with the Internal Revenue Service, a branch of the Treasury Department. On this return, we are required to list the source and amount of all our income. The amount of income determines the percent of tax that we pay. The higher the income, the higher the rate of tax."

Then you continue, "However, the government has tried to make it simple. All Americans who work for others are required to have an estimate of their tax deducted from their earnings before they receive their pay. We call this withholding. Also, the law requires us to place our social security number on all our bank accounts. All banks where we deposit our money and people who sell stocks for us report the amount of money we earned in each account and on each transaction to the Internal Revenue Service. These actions are necessary because the government wants to ensure that all of the income taxes are collected. You see, they really don't trust the people to pay."

Jefferson is visibly stunned. "You mean Americans are required to tell an agency of the government how much money they made and where they earned it?"

"Yes," you answer. Puzzled, Jefferson says to you, "The government must have had a great financial emergency which made such a despotic tax system necessary to pay off a great deficit."

You sadly explain that there really was no emergency. You explain how the admitted national debt is in excess of $4 trillion and increasing by $200 billion each year.

Jefferson, mostly to himself, says, "In my Second Inaugural Address I warned that we must meet all of the expenses of each year without encroaching on the rights of future generations by burdening them with the debts of the past. All of us had seen the devastating effects of a national debt."

Then Jefferson asks you if you really said that the more money you earned, the higher the rate of tax you had to pay. You slowly confirm this simple fact. Strangely, it no longer seems harmless.

In a sad voice, Jefferson says, "When we wrote the Constitution, all of us knew history. We knew that great civilizations began to decline when they introduced direct taxation. In the Constitution, we restricted direct taxation because we knew it would yield the same result experienced by other nations using direct taxation-erosion of individual rights and the oppression of the minority by the majority because it could use its political power to use the government to steal from the minority."

Then Jefferson says to himself, "How can this be? Have Americans forgotten history?" You look at this man who, together with a few others, so eloquently gave birth to the idea of freedom that has pervaded the United States for most of its existence and is being echoed around the world today by countries throwing off despotism. Now embarrassed and truly ashamed, you explain that Americans, like sheep to the slaughter, meekly went along with each new law that stripped away more of their freedom.

In World War II, Americans agreed to income tax withholding as a "temporary measure" to help win the war. Of course, withholding was never ended and has become a permanent fixture. Then came the plausible rule that our social security number should be on all our accounts. In this way, the government ensures that no one evades reporting the income earned in their accounts. Of course, then came the rule that all bank accounts should file information returns and that most transactions should be reported to the government.

You state that the income tax rules are incomprehensible, that no one understands them but that the taxpayer is still responsible for compliance. You tell him that in tax matters, Americans are guilty until proven innocent. You explain how an agent of the government can come into your home and inspect all of your checks and papers and ask you to explain the purpose of each check. If the agent decides that you have not fully complied with the incomprehensible income tax code, he can arbitrarily decide that you owe more tax. If your taxes are not paid, your bank accounts can be seized and your home and other properties auctioned.

"Our people fought a revolution because of government intrusion far less than this," Jefferson says. "It is inconceivable that any of us would have tolerated this type of government tyranny. A government that has to enforce a tax on its people will not willingly pay is a government that should be immediately overthrown. In a letter to James Madison in 1787, I said, 'I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.' Are you sure that I am in the right country? There must have been a revolution. Real Americans would never have given up their rights without a fight."

Seeing your bowed head, he knows the answer. There was no revolution. Now deeply ashamed, you try to excuse yourself by explaining to him that people who refuse to obey the tax laws are often sent to prison, sometimes for 25 to 30 years.

Jefferson just stares at you. In a low, anguished voice he says, "Is this what we risked our lives for? We thought we were giving future generations a free country ruled by the people for the people. What you have done is taken our idea and twisted it. You have freely submitted to despotism much worse than we faced. You may think that you are free, but that is because you choose not to see your chains or the walls that imprison you. No, my friend, you live in a prison. You work for the government, not for yourselves. Your ancestors would not know you. I am sorry for my country and I am sorry for you." Without another word, Jefferson walks out the door.

As you see his tall figure disappear into the mist, you are sadder than you can remember ever being. You now must admit to yourself what you have been trying to explain away. What Jefferson said is true. What has happened to us is what Thomas Paine predicted would happen if Americans lost their freedom. Our freedoms have not been taken away all at once but a little at a time. Jefferson could see it. If you really look, you can see it too.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: nationaldebt; taxreform; thefirstrepublican; thomasjefferson; virginia
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To: Taxman
..unless the people truly control their own government, the government is not likely to endorse or allow any sort of tax system which empowers the people.

Boy do I know that. I caught on to the government a long time ago. Anyone who thinks that government is their savior can forget it.

41 posted on 01/10/2002 5:58:45 AM PST by mafree
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To: mafree
Yup.
42 posted on 01/10/2002 7:31:58 AM PST by Taxman
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To: Taxman
a new, and MUCH improved, dixie republic will NOT have an income tax.
43 posted on 01/10/2002 7:34:23 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Taxman
Thank you, Taxman for the information. As far as the NRST, there is no question that this is the only way to break free from our current system of government extortion.

Won't it take a long time to accomplish this goal without greater pressure from the people? Shouldn't there be more publicity and education to the masses? We certainly cannot rely on our reps who would not relinquish fiscal and political control.

In the interim, aren't taxcuts a step in the right direction?

44 posted on 01/10/2002 7:35:03 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Angelique; Taxreform
Angelique,

I am glad that you agree with me.

"Won't it take a long time to accomplish this goal without greater pressure from the people?"

Even with pressure from the people, it will take a long time. We the People will have to diselect some prominent anti-tax reform Representatives and Senators and elect pro-tax reform Representatives and Senators in 2002 and 2004 to get this job done.

"Shouldn't there be more publicity and education to the masses?"

Yes, most assuredly. We at NRSTA are constantly working to do that. Thass what we do, sweetie.

"We certainly cannot rely on our reps who would not relinquish fiscal and political control."

No, we cannot. We must threaten them with their jobs, and then carry through on the threat. IOW, send some of them packing!

If we can muster the grass roots strenght to send enough Representatives and Senators packing on the fundamental tax reform issue, the rest will fall into place. Keep in mind that to most of our elected officials, their most important job is to keep their elected position of power. It is a disease, and most elected officials have it.

In WDC, that disease, and it is a contagious disease, is called "Potomac Fever." But local, county and state elected officials have the local, county or state version of the same disease.

"In the interim, aren't taxcuts a step in the right direction?"

Yup. If they are immediate and meaningful.

45 posted on 01/10/2002 7:54:55 AM PST by Taxman
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To: Angelique
Jefferson would think we are nuts!
46 posted on 01/10/2002 8:00:48 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: stand watie
Ahm savin' mah Confederate money, Boy! Th' South gonna rise agin!
47 posted on 01/10/2002 8:02:25 AM PST by Taxman
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To: Taxman
as all the REAL CSA money is worth MORE than face value, you BETTER save it!

for dixie,sw

48 posted on 01/10/2002 9:08:58 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
Yup!
49 posted on 01/10/2002 9:14:02 AM PST by Taxman
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To: Taxman
bump!
50 posted on 01/10/2002 9:16:14 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Fish out of Water
Bravo!
51 posted on 01/10/2002 7:23:19 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Angelique
BUMP
52 posted on 01/10/2002 7:25:13 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: PatrioticAmerican
"Are you measuring success and happiness by material wealth?"

He and Jonah Goldberg.

53 posted on 01/10/2002 7:27:50 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: Angelique
"I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe."
--Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787

Jefferson would understand why things are the way they are and why we are the way we are.

Then he'd vedge out on the sofa in front of the TV. As hard as it was to get him here, it'll be even harder to get him to leave.

Tell him his Black descendants are coming over -- that may do the trick.

54 posted on 01/10/2002 7:39:01 PM PST by x
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To: x
Thank you for the quote from Jefferson to Madison as an example of his wisdom. Do you recall the Blue and Red map of our country from the past election for President? All the blue areas, the large cities, went to Gore.

Jefferson would understand why things are the way they are and why we are the way we are.

It appears that you do not agree with the authors of this article, and that Jefferson would just veg out on the couch and watch the tele, staying here to pay income taxes with a smile on his face.

You, x, are one disrespectful and unappreciative person of your heritage, and the founding of this country.

55 posted on 01/11/2002 1:18:28 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Fish out of Water
I am so glad to hear that you see the value of the NRST! As far as some of your ideas, we do already have philanthropic construction of many community structures, and there is volunteerism within our communities.

I believe the real problem eroding community spirit began with FDR, and the expectations of many that the government would take care of them. Hopefully, someday that will change. It already has taken a small step with the Welfare Reform Bill.

I agree that reducing the size of government will exist when we place many of its functions back within the private sector. And that my FRiend would start with abolishing the IT.

56 posted on 01/11/2002 1:34:24 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Angelique
Sorry you didn't appreciate my joke. I read so much skepticism about other founders and heroes on FR. Jefferson, who advocated revolution every generation or so and was not troubled by the horrible revolutionary violence in France surely deserves as much skepticism as other great figures of his era and later American history.

While Jefferson would be appalled by the tax rates we have to pay, he'd recognize that such things do happen in societies that don't have a frontier to absorb the poor and give people an opportunity to escape to self-sufficiency and freedom. Jefferson was also heavily indebted in his last years. The idea of giving away 50 or 70 percent of one's income before one even sees it would not have been new to him.

57 posted on 01/11/2002 2:03:21 AM PST by x
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To: mafree
Right as rain mafree, right as rain.

Little Willie was "The Worst President In American History".

58 posted on 01/13/2002 12:15:53 PM PST by pigdog
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To: x
You seem to miss the entire point and have no concept of what America was founded on and how it has been corrupted. I paid over $30,000 to the federal government last year. I got laid off. If I'm lucky I may make a total of $25,000 this year. If I don't pay $10,000 of that meager amount to the federal government for more taxes they say I owe from last year I just may go to jail. Add in the taxes they plan to take from me this year.

I'll be damned if I let my children go hungry to satisfy the like of you or this "American" government. BTW, less than $4,000 of the $40,000 I supposedly owe for last year will actually be used to benefit "the poor". Most of the rest is eaten up by the beaurocracy with maybe $6,000 going to the purposes our government should be responsible for.

59 posted on 01/21/2002 9:04:41 PM PST by ridensm
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To: ridensm
If I had known what you were going through, I would have written differently. My point was just that Jefferson, $107,000 in debt, was no stranger to financial worries and tax troubles.

I sympathize with your problems. I hope everything works out for you and your family.

60 posted on 01/21/2002 10:40:51 PM PST by x
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