Pilot at fault used Profiling against SS Agent

CNN - Crossfire Transscript 1/4/2 ^ | 1/4/02 | Self

[Howlin]

How do you characterize yourself Neo-Nazi

Oh, dear, I see you don't know the time honored internet rule about calling peole Nazis.

Miss Marple will be here shortly to quote it for your chapter and verse; I never can remember it.

[He Rides A White Horse]

You know what I'm saying, but in case you are still confused, let me summarize for you:

A) There is an 'industry' in this country catering to 'victims'

B) Certain lawyer types have cleverly had certain things codified into law; as a result, they walk into a courtroom with the burden of guilt shifted from the 'prosecutors (them) to the 'defendant' (read, those under assault by these types)

C) Certain lawyer types and their political allies walk out of said courtroom with money literally spilling out of their pockets

D) Repeat as often as greed allows (which is usually limitless)

Does that help?

[EverOnward]

See there, by December 27th, the agent had already called CAIR.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ss agent wasn't a CAIR plant and the whole episode with American Airlines was a set up.

[Cultural Jihad]

How do you characterize yourself Neo-Nazi...

Oh, I'm sorry. You played the Nazi card, and hence you lose. But do take these wonderful consolation prizes as our parting gifts.

[He Rides A White Horse]

How do you characterize yourself Neo-Nazi, Aryan Brotherhood or just plain scared and ignorant.

None of the above, I despise these organizations, although people like you give them a run for their money.

scared and ignorant

(laughing more)

[McGavin999]

Their objective seems to be to hamstring the airlines by taking the decision about who flies and who doesn't AWAY from the pilots and placed with, no doubt, some bureaucracy which terrorists will eagerly exploit.

Well, bin Laden gave them their marching orders "attack their economy" and one of the ways of doing that is through massive lawsuits. Looks like it's started. Start the lawsuits, demand financial settlements, bleed an already ailing industry dry.

[He Rides A White Horse]

You showed your true colors about two hundred posts ago..............a liberal socialist. Sounds quite a bit like National Socialist; I never liked socialists of any stripe, whether they are balck like Jesse Jackson, or some white guy offering a stiff armed salute.

We can talk about this one if you want, I'm game.

[EverOnward]

I will say that I've dealt with SS guys and airline personnel, and that in a swearing contest between anybody from AA and the Secret Service, I'd believe the Secret Service guy, just because I've seen AA try to destroy people before to cover up.

It appears you do a lot of dealing with CAIR as well.

[Dave S]

BTW, you've made several statements that are not supported by any of the reported facts; shall I ask you to PROVE IT??????

For example? Much of what Ive said has come from published reports, the American Airlines website and what was said in the Lawyers news conference yesterday.

[null and void]

What is your point? Executive Orders is a novel. Not a real story. It is based on an idealized view of the SS. I will re read the book just to make sure I am not blathering.

Yup! It's just a novel. It does seem to me that someone else (on the other side of the world) is trying to use it as a playbook. I really hope I'm wrong here...

[kcvl]

Following lunch, attorney John Relman will discuss an important predatory lending case which he is currently litigating in Washington D.C. Mr. Relman is the founder and director of Relman & Associates. From 1989 to 1999, Mr. Relman served as project director of the Fair Housing Project at the Washington Lawyers’ Committee

Mr. Relman’s better-known cases include Timus v. William J. Davis, Inc. ($2.4 million jury verdict for housing discrimination against families with children); Dyson v. Denny’s Restaurants ($17.725 million class settlement for racial discrimination against customers); Pugh v. Avis Rent-a-Car ($5.4 million class settlement for racial discrimination in the rental of cars); and Gilliam v. Adam’s Mark Hotels ($8 million class settlement for racial discrimination against guests). He is the author of Housing Discrimination Practice Manual.

[kcvl]

Do you notice a pattern?

10:10 a.m. ELIMINATING RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN HOUSING CASES THROUGH INDIVIDUAL COMPLAINTS

A PANEL DISCUSSION WITH

Barbara Knox, Director
Fair Housing & Equal Opportunity
U. S. Department of HUD; Chicago, Illinois

John Relman, General Counsel
Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights under Law
Washington, DC

[Howlin]

Attorneys Christy Lopez and John Relman
disputed American Airlines' statements about
their client, who is Arab-American.

[sinkspur]

I didn't appreciate it, and have no reason to trust anything an AA guy says.

Thanks.

I wondered what axe you were grinding.

[McGavin999]

So, because a couple of people lied, you're willing to brand all AA employees as liars? Isn't that profiling? Aren't you doing the very thing you are accusing them of doing?

[Howlin]

NAACP to Announce Recent Developments in Adam's Mark Case
U.S. Newswire
2 Dec 23:38

NAACP Announces Recent Developments in Adam's Mark Case
To: Assignment Desk, Daybook Editor
Contact: NAACP Office of Communications, 410-486-9227

News Advisory:

WHO:
-- Kweisi Mfume, President and CEO NAACP;
-- Dennis Hayes, General Counsel NAACP;
-- John Relman of Relman and Associates.

WHAT:
News conference

WHEN:
Monday, Dec. 3, 2001 at noon.

WHERE:
NAACP National Headquarters Building, 4805 Mt. Hope Drive,
Baltimore, Md. 21215

WHY:
To announce recent developments in the case of Gilliam v. HBE
Corporation parent company of Adam's Mark Hotels and the NAACP
boycott of Adam's Mark Hotels.

Founded in 1909, the National Association for the Advancement of
Colored People (NAACP) is the nation's oldest and largest civil
rights organization. Its half-million adult and youth members
throughout the United States and the world are the premier
advocates for civil rights in their communities and monitor equal
opportunity in the public and private sectors.

KEYWORDS:

ADVISORY, CIVIL RIGHTS, MARYLAND

http://www.usnewswire.com
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/U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/

12/02 23:30

Copyright 2001, U.S. Newswire

[Howlin]

"This settlement is the product of a cooperative effort between Florida Attorney General Bob Butterworth and the State of Florida -- John Relman, who represents the plaintiff's attorneys -- and Bill Lann Lee, the Acting Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division. This type of cooperation, at the federal and state level, as well as between the public sector and the private sector, should serve as a model for the future.

[KeyLargo]

I defer to the CAPTAIN. Per FAR:

"The Pilot in Command(1) Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight."

I would take the word of an airline captain over an affirmitive action government bureaucrat any day.