Restoration Plan For The Klamath Takes Significant Steps Forward

The Sierra Times ^ | 10 December, 2001 | Sierra Times Staff

[SuperLuminal]

Hmmmm! Now, about that bridge between Brooklyn and Manhattan....It's for sale real cheap.

[hedgetrimmer]

If there are stakeholders in the meeting making policy,then watch out. People with no legal authority to make any policy decisions or laws come into these meetings. They call themselves stakeholders and often hornswoggle landowners and local citizens into thinking they have some right to influence the decision. Well they DON'T so DON'T let them! Often they get in there, influence the outcome of things and the landowner is left wondering what happened! They can talk all they want, but they have NO LEGAL RIGHT to make policy or influence decisions on local planning issues. ONLY THE PROPERTY OWNERS, VOTERS AND LOCAL CITIZENS HAVE THAT RIGHT!

INSIST THAT YOUR CONSTITUIONAL FORM OF GOVERNMENT BE UPHELD. INSIST THAT GOVERNMENT POLICY BE DECIDED BETWEEN THE LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE AND CONSTITUENTS THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND THE BALLOT BOX.

Local counties and cities can stand up to the federal government and refuse to adopt their policies. It says so IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.

[hubel458]

Thats the reason for these community groups; ie change the way people in the community vote on the greenie agenda. Hell, as of now a quarter of the community is buying the enviro line. And the legal adjudication process that locals and gov are involved in will take 5-10 years and the greens feel they can wear the community out.Ed Hubel

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

"And the legal adjudication process that locals and gov are involved in will take 5-10 years and the greens feel they can wear the community out."

EH, And oftentimes, the "local" government officials side with the enviro-nazis. I still wonder if RICO anti-organized crime statutes can be used against these people{?}. They definetly qualify. Peace and love, George.

[hubel458]

George- Sounds like a good idea if the law would apply. They sure act and operate like a conspiracy.In above article I mention the ALC as the owners above the lake when it is really the Nature Conservancy.The ALC is one of groups trying to buy the land and water rights.The local paper is owned by a bunch of greenies who own liberal paper in state capital.All the study groups and stakeholders collect gov money,donations, etc to run their operations. Fixing the environment is big business and they all are tied together. Lots of lawyers involved and growing gov agencies. Be nice if RICO could be applied to the whole bunch.Ed Hubel

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

"Lots of lawyers involved and growing gov agencies. Be nice if RICO could be applied to the whole bunch."

H, Considering the national aspect of many of the organizations, including especially the "national Conservancy", I have no doubt the laws could be applies considering the debilitating effect they have on private property owners. There is NO WAY their policies are not deliberately designed to do exactly what they are doing. Buying property at "fire sale" prices after MAKING tha price of the TARGETED property drop like a rock. I DO have doubts about finding "lawyers" who would take the cases. Unlike tobacco, godgov is on the side of the thiefs this time. Or maybe like tobacco{?}. Peace and love, George.

[Libertina]

Thanks for the confirmation. As soon as I read 5, count them 5 paragraphs, and still didn't understand the gobbledy-gook, I knew the socialist enviro-whackos had come up with their scheme. When the farmers controlled the area there was water, land health, proper use of land. Last year the dark forces took over and there was destruction. What's to discuss? I want our administration to GET INTO GEAR ABOUT THIS! I'm extremely disappointed in Gayle Norton et al.

[hubel458]

And now the BOR is starting to run water to the KDD district for winter flood irrigation that this area uses to soak up their system for spring. This district is on the west side and gets water from Klamath river down from Upper Klamath Lake.It is 19,000 acres, about 10% of total.Some water will pass on to the Lower Klamath refuge; BOR says they found enough water to do this.The lake is going up like crazy and they should have been running some to whole system to soak it up and recharge dry wells,2/3 of dry wells are non farmers.They should have been doing this all fall. The greenies and gov will do anything to keep from giving the main part of the irrigation district any water, ever again.They have made more and bigger wetlands above lake and catching as much runoff as the can to keep it from the lake,so when spring comes they can say not enough for farms.The Williamson and Sprague rivers are running into lake at 85% of last years flows and this years rain and snow is 3 times higher than last years.(They count precipitation year from Oct 1 to Sept following year).The Conservancy has 30,000acres and the gov has 40,000 all in wetland work; above the lake; most of it in these two river systems coming into lake. So they make a shortage and then sue over it.CONSPIRACY?? Ed Hubel

[Libertina]

So they make a shortage and then sue over it.CONSPIRACY??
The fact is, I am a conservationist too, but not a whacko extremist. My parents met in the mountaineers and my entire family loves the outdoors. Why on earth did Gayle Norton get brought aboard? It seems she is doing nothing... for either side. I think THIS administration (and all people) need to take care of our environment and the Klamath Basin is a prime example. I am afraid the issue is getting lost in the muddle. Perhaps time to FReep Ms. Norton again. I can't believe there aren't any influential elected representatives stepping up and taking on this fight.

[hubel458]

Libertina- Main reason Norton and Interior leadership isn't doing their job in Klamath; is that they are in court, defending Interior and gov fron a lawsuit by Indians over billions of dollars that Indians have been cheated out of by gov in the last 100 years.Many billions in trust funds. Norton is even fighting contempt of court this week.As far as politicians who are doing anything, Senators Smith & Wyden -Ore- are trying to get funds added to farm bill. But the money they want to go to land buyouts, research projects for gov,Indians, Greenies,Etc. Not much to help farms such as getting water rights straightened out.Or paying farms for water lost. There is a surplus, if new groups don't impound it and then sue, claiming not enough for farms.Gov is puttingwater into what they call a wetland above the lake that has 11 square miles and will be 5 ft deep.And this is their small one.This water doesn't get to the lake to be visible so people would know there is a surplus, to help farms....Gov and conservancy has over 100 square miles of these wetlands to put water in. Ed Hubel

[hubel458]

Just had a posting on the klamathbasincrisis.org site, that Judge Hogans ruling delisting salmon in earlier suit has been set aside. Happened yesterday in San Francisco fed court.A day after the Grange filled suit to delist more.Anybody have anymore info?Like who was the judge. Ed Hubel