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To: blam
I'm guessing that ancient Egyptian society collapsed in the same way the Soviet Union did, and for the same reason. You can't have a Pharoah-God ruler single handedly directing the people and the nation's resources by fiat and still expect to maintain a viable economic condition over the long run.

Those pyramids should stand as an eternal monument to the inherent folly of government spending. It may keep people busy, and it may look like things are getting done, but it merely squanders human and physical resources, and is inherently uneconomic. A collossal waste of productive human energy -- and for what? To assuage the ego of some delusional tyrant.

Just think how that society would have thrived if all those poor souls assigned to monument building and similar tasks had been allowed to pursue their own individual talents and goals.

I don't know much about Egyptian history, but obviously it was doomed to failure from the getgo.

2 posted on 12/08/2001 3:03:02 PM PST by Maceman
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To: Maceman
I don't know much about Egyptian history, but obviously it was doomed to failure from the getgo.

Clearly, you DON'T know ANYTHING about Egyptian history.

3 posted on 12/08/2001 3:05:50 PM PST by Arleigh
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To: Maceman
Those stupid ol' Egyptians didn't have any hope of lasting the 200 years we have!
4 posted on 12/08/2001 3:18:39 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Maceman
"I don't know much about Egyptian history, but obviously it was doomed to failure from the getgo."

I'm pretty sure the article said the problem was an environmental event. Albeit, I do agree with your politics.

8 posted on 12/08/2001 3:40:12 PM PST by blam
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To: Maceman

I don't know much about Egyptian history,

Then perhaps you should have allowed yourself
the luxury of an unexpressed thought and maybe
learned something.

20 posted on 12/08/2001 4:22:32 PM PST by gcruse
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To: Maceman
Those pyramids should stand as an eternal monument to the inherent folly of government spending

All those years...and the Egyptians never sold out naming rights to a corporate sponsor!

21 posted on 12/08/2001 4:27:28 PM PST by grania
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To: Maceman
From what I heard, it was necessary to predict and provide for floods and droughts. You had to know what was going on upstream to make your plans and survive. To a large degree you also had to allocate the water from irrigation. Therefore, the state and its scribes, priests, and administrators grew quite powerful. The kind of power they had and the awe that people had for the Pharaoah must have been greater than anything we see in the world today. But it's hard to see how Egyptian civilization could have developed as far as it did had the state not developed.

Take the Mississippi, which is so important to the lives and fortunes of people who live on its banks, and transport it to a much drier climate -- or consider the Colorado, and the use made of its water -- and you get an idea of how important the river was, and how difficult it would be to have the whole process in private hands in ancient times.

Ancient civizations lasted for a very long time with all the faults that we'd attribute their fall to. Rome is another example. What we see as Roman decadence lasted centuries before the empire fell.

34 posted on 12/08/2001 5:23:56 PM PST by x
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To: Maceman
I don't know much about Egyptian history, but obviously it was doomed to failure from the getgo.

Unless you know the facts you don't have the right to have an opinion.

37 posted on 12/08/2001 5:42:11 PM PST by curmudgeonII
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To: Maceman
You can't have a Pharoah-God ruler single handedly directing the people and the nation's resources by fiat and still expect to maintain a viable economic condition over the long run.

It wasn't like that. The pharaonic Egyptians were remarkably republican. Each citizen was expected to adhere to a moral code that is surprisingly modern, maybe even proto-Christian. They had a wealthy and powerful civilization, were highly advanced technologically, and they had extensive trade with the rest of the known world.

When Egypt collapsed, it wouldn't have been just Egypt, the rest of civilization would have been in deep trouble at the same time.

52 posted on 12/08/2001 7:31:11 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Maceman
those pyramids should stand as an eternal monument to the inherent folly of government spending.

i am going to have to memorize this statement -- very powerful and true!

i suggest that climate had more to do with the sudden downfall of the egyptians than anything else. government spending problems are a lot like the frog in boiling water analogy. when the temperature increases slowly to the boiling point, the frog does not notice the problem until it is dead.

taking this to a different direction, climatic changes occur naturally and run in cycles. in fact, there are multiple cycles in play all the time. trying to keep the climate stable, like our environmentalist friends do, is futile. it is another example of gross government spending that causes civilizations to be less productive than they otherwise would. and with that, we need to go to the top and remind ourselves of your excellent quote about the pyramids!

61 posted on 12/09/2001 4:42:14 AM PST by mlocher
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To: Maceman
............the inherent folly of government spending. It may keep people busy, and it may look like things are getting done, but it merely squanders human and physical resources, and is inherently uneconomic. A collossal waste of productive human energy -- and for what? To assuage the ego of some delusional tyrant.

And this differes from our federal government, how?

110 posted on 07/15/2002 5:58:50 PM PDT by varon
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To: Maceman
Yeah, They only had , what, 1000 years of stability, only to be wiped out by mother nature. I hope you keep your comments from reaching young, impressionable ears, or your ignorance might stand as a monument to speaking with authority, from ignorance.
123 posted on 12/02/2003 3:00:22 AM PST by Unassuaged
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To: Maceman
I don't know much about Egyptian history, but obviously it was doomed to failure from the getgo.

FYI, the ancient Egyptian civilization was arguably one of, if not the most successful civilization of all time. It began 3,000 or so B.C. And lasted until Alexander the Great conquered it in 400 B.C. or depending on your view of history, until the death of Cleopatra about 400 years later. It's contribution to math and the science was as great as the Greeks. It buildings still stand today after 4,000 years. And we still don't know how they did it.

You might try reading about the ancients, they were remarkable peoples.

136 posted on 02/08/2004 2:48:09 PM PST by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Maceman

I would urge you to read Peter Thompkins book "Secrets of the Great Pyramid" for a different perspective. The monument to an egotistical ruler is probably not the reason for the construction.

At the very least, they serve as geodesic markers. There were probably astronomical function as well.


165 posted on 11/13/2006 5:15:14 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P.)
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To: Maceman
I don't know much about Egyptian history, but obviously it was doomed to failure from the getgo.

Something else you don't know; the Egyptian "getgo" was an empire that lasted for SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS!

173 posted on 12/24/2006 10:03:24 AM PST by melancholy
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To: Maceman
Those pyramids should stand as an eternal monument to the inherent folly of government spending.

Excellent observation.

198 posted on 06/09/2013 8:07:01 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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