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Who was in Israel first, the Jews or Palestinians

Posted on 12/05/2001 7:50:45 PM PST by 100American

Here are 20 conveniently overlooked facts that give some perspective to the current Middle East situation. These were compiled by a Christian university professor..... Takes just 1.5 minutes to read!!!

1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E, the Jews had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4.The only Arab domination since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 hundred times in Bible. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. Arab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were not driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees absorbed by Israel from Arab countries is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples'lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank and autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied their police and security forces with weapons.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Jewish grave markers were used to build public urinals in occupied Jerusalem. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The U.N. record on Israel and the Arabs of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel -- notwithstanding the fact that the Arabs refused to participate in the 15 nation United Nations Commission of Palestine which recommended partition in 1948 and sought immediately to undo its work by force of arms.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

18. The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians between 1948 and 1967.

19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives between 1948 and 1967.

20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall between 1948 and 1967.


TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: NixonDude
So the people who get there first can have the country, right? OK - when are you handing over the USA to Red Indians?

Are you saying that might makes right?

121 posted on 12/06/2001 12:47:20 AM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: onyx
Only Liberals hit the abuse button. It's a PC device demanded of the founder of this site. It's for liberals like you who can't defend themselves. Call 911. Boo Hoo. After the police show up to clean up the mess, the psychologist shows up with the bill.
122 posted on 12/06/2001 1:00:40 AM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: KQQL
Israel should kick out all arabs out of west bank and gaza and secure it's border.................
That may be the only way to stop the suicide bombers. And build a wall...a big one.
123 posted on 12/06/2001 1:13:48 AM PST by cimon
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To: drstevej
His descendants will ulimately inherit all of the land promised, not just the small part that is the seat of centention today.

This is half of the little secret, that rarely ever gets mentioned in the U.S. But that is boldly proclaimed in Israel. The second half of that little secret, is exactly what those proclaimed borders are.

124 posted on 12/06/2001 1:38:54 AM PST by jackbob
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To: Optimist
Interestingly, reform Jews (aka the most liberal in oh so many ways) do not necessarily face Jerusalem and in fact may have their sanctuaries (temples) set up so the congregation does NOT face east toward Jerusalem (more specifically the Western Wall of the original Temple) while praying.

Not quite - the layout of even the most reform will have the ark containing the Torah facing towards Jerusalem. The congregational seating can be arranged any which way but it is invariably focused towards the ark. In any event many prayers are performed standing and the devout will turn to face the ark at such times regardless of which way their chair may be positioned.

125 posted on 12/06/2001 2:12:17 AM PST by anapikoros
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To: amom
ping
126 posted on 12/06/2001 2:14:27 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: plastic
That's quite an impressive post, plastic. Welcome to FRee Republic - or have you been lurking for a while?
127 posted on 12/06/2001 2:41:03 AM PST by JudyB1938
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To: KQQL
Agreed. And anti-christ make a "peace" treaty that collapses until the Prince of Peace returns to rule. And He, Jesus, doesn't need the UN as peace keepers!
128 posted on 12/06/2001 3:56:10 AM PST by drstevej
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To: 100American
This is the official line, but it doesn't stand up to any historical research.
129 posted on 12/06/2001 4:00:00 AM PST by Patria One
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To: plastic
Bump. Excellent post.
130 posted on 12/06/2001 4:01:59 AM PST by Patria One
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To: BoomerBob
The Moabite Stone (Mesha Stele) is a bit of a stretch. If we go by the dating of the David in the bible then the stele is dated at least 150-200 years later.

Its a problematic theory in that the word "House" is an unclear reading and of the word David only the D (Dalet) exists. AFAIK most archeologists discount it as there are a number of ways of interpolating words starting with the D that can make sense. Its most likely however that it refers to a placename rather than to the House of David.

There are a number of spurious translations floating around the net but mostly you will find them at bible proponents sites. They are not authentic translations by paleographologists who are a lot more careful in their translations and when they guess what a word might be they indicate it as such.

As for Solomon - I have heard on the grapevine that there are "sources" that might refer to him. I haven't seen anything that fits the description in the Bible. If you know of something other than legends I'd like to hear about it.

132 posted on 12/06/2001 4:43:00 AM PST by anapikoros
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To: gcochran
Statement 4. The only Arab domination since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

Your response.... " #4 is of course false, since Palestine was part of the Arab Caliphate, follwed by the Omayyed caliphate, followed by the Abbasid caliphate, followed by the Fatimid caliphate, etc from around 640 to about 1100"

The #4 statement refers to "Arab domination" - domination means who ruled/governed.

Were the Omayyeds, Abbasids and Fatamids Arabs - don't think so. Muslims and pseudo Muslims but not Arab hence the statement is correct.

133 posted on 12/06/2001 5:11:16 AM PST by anapikoros
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To: cimon
And build a wall...a big one

By all means. Look how well the wall worked for China.

134 posted on 12/06/2001 5:18:31 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: 100American
Comments, additions, corrections ??

Number 8 is baloney.

135 posted on 12/06/2001 5:20:11 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: BoomerBob
I am interested in your information concerning David and Solomon.
136 posted on 12/06/2001 5:23:42 AM PST by Patria One
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To: 100American
Not a single statement is, as far as I know, untrue. That being said, the establishment of a state based on western cultural and political norms, inhabited and run by people whose culture (after 1,900 years of diaspora) is largely European, and supported militarily by the west (US) like it's Fort Apache smack in the middle of the Arab part of the old Ottoman Empire was an earth shaking event for the people there.

After occupying a piece of land for around 1,300 years (over 60 generations) people do consider themselves to be the owners, no matter who actually rules the place (Turks, Egyptians, Brits, Jordanians, etc.).

It is a Gordian Knot of a problem which, by default, will probably always be settled by superior force of arms.

137 posted on 12/06/2001 5:24:08 AM PST by katana
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To: Yehuda
Thank you oh so very much, Yehuda!!!
138 posted on 12/06/2001 5:26:41 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Non-Sequitur
It's not really "baloney". It's just a provocative way of pointing out that Jerusalem is the center of the Jewish faith while for Muslims Mecca and the Kaaba serve the same role. If a Muslim were praying from a spot in Poland, he would be facing Jerusalem by default.
139 posted on 12/06/2001 5:28:55 AM PST by katana
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To: Nachum; NYC GOP Chick; Lazamataz
"That is why the Torah is copied so meticulously to prove that it is acurate."

Exactly. bttt

140 posted on 12/06/2001 5:29:43 AM PST by ChaseR
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