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Who was in Israel first, the Jews or Palestinians

Posted on 12/05/2001 7:50:45 PM PST by 100American

Here are 20 conveniently overlooked facts that give some perspective to the current Middle East situation. These were compiled by a Christian university professor..... Takes just 1.5 minutes to read!!!

1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E, the Jews had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4.The only Arab domination since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 hundred times in Bible. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. Arab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were not driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees absorbed by Israel from Arab countries is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples'lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank and autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied their police and security forces with weapons.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Jewish grave markers were used to build public urinals in occupied Jerusalem. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The U.N. record on Israel and the Arabs of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel -- notwithstanding the fact that the Arabs refused to participate in the 15 nation United Nations Commission of Palestine which recommended partition in 1948 and sought immediately to undo its work by force of arms.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

18. The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians between 1948 and 1967.

19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives between 1948 and 1967.

20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall between 1948 and 1967.


TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 14aadeiilossttt; godsgravesglyphs; israel
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To: BoomerBob
Jacob's named was changed to Yisra'el (Israel) which means literally "to struggle with God".

Maybe - but more likely is(h) - ra - el : literally; man- see - god.

81 posted on 12/05/2001 10:01:32 PM PST by anapikoros
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To: alphadog
Perhaps you don't understand the point that I and others are making: There is EXTRA-BIBLICAL evidence for the existence of David. That means evidence uncovered outside of the Bible. It's not a question of theology but archaelogy. And if you were ever to crack open a copy of Bible Archaelogy Review you would understand that publication takes no position regarding theological viewpoints. The publication only reports on archaelogical findings in Israel. The whole purpose of this thread is about the history of Israel not a belief-system.
82 posted on 12/05/2001 10:02:41 PM PST by BoomerBob
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To: anapikoros
My Hebrew is very rudimentary but all the information I've seen translate the meaning as "struggle" with God. Perhaps others here can be more definitive.

My point being that there is some evidence to suggest that the word Palestine may have derived from Israel and not Philistine. The whole point is rather silly because the Caananites were the one's displaced by the Exodus not the Philistines.

84 posted on 12/05/2001 10:07:21 PM PST by BoomerBob
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To: BoomerBob
There's AFAIK nil for David and maybe some(but slight) for Solomon.

However, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I got none to show, but I'd be interested in yours. Extra-biblical evidence that is.

85 posted on 12/05/2001 10:07:26 PM PST by anapikoros
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To: Djk
Interestingly, reform Jews (aka the most liberal in oh so many ways) do not necessarily face Jerusalem and in fact may have their sanctuaries (temples) set up so the congregation does NOT face east toward Jerusalem (more specifically the Western Wall of the original Temple) while praying.
88 posted on 12/05/2001 10:10:17 PM PST by Optimist
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To: crystalk
I've seen the stone, even touched it. The reference to DVD is still conjectural according to all archeologists and at this stage can't be established that it was THAT DVD.
90 posted on 12/05/2001 10:12:20 PM PST by anapikoros
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To: Optimist
The goal of Hamas and Islamic Jihad is NOT creation of a Palestinian state, but rather the absence of Israel (aka Jews) leaving for Palestinians the land, and infrastructure that Israel has developed from the deserts and swamps.

Unfortunately, the Palestinians have no experience forming, developing, and running a government (unless it's a third world tribal dictatorship), and whatever remains (not likely to be much if Israel is facing annihilation), will not last or ultimately benefit the people all this is supposed to be for.

Very true. All one has to do is look at South Africa and Zimbabwe to see what happens to a civilization when the keys are taken from the builders and handed to those whose only talent is violence.

91 posted on 12/05/2001 10:21:47 PM PST by freebilly
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To: anapikoros
That would be the extra-biblical reference re: David to which I am referring (posts #49 and #53). I'm not sure your being fair in characterizing all archaeologists as remaining skeptical about the inscription. You sound very knowledgeable on this subject and therefore would be aware of the existence of references to Solomon. It is not a great assumption to think that if Solomon existed than so to did his father.
92 posted on 12/05/2001 10:22:02 PM PST by BoomerBob
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To: KQQL
From #2 - Which came first, the chicken or the egg? - by KQQL

Which came first? The Chicken.   In the beginning, when God created...
The chicken was created, and the egg came later.

94 posted on 12/05/2001 10:37:27 PM PST by Golden Gate
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To: Alamo-Girl
The jury is still out "House of David" Built on Sand
95 posted on 12/05/2001 10:44:28 PM PST by anapikoros
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To: plastic
Actually the brouhaha was about political statements included within a scientific report not about the implication of the genetics.
96 posted on 12/05/2001 10:52:02 PM PST by anapikoros
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To: Buckeroo
NOPE ! Only the representaive of the Roman Empire, Pontius Pilate , could send a man to his death. The Jews did NOT kll Jesus, nor did they " send HIM to HIS death." No matter what you may have been told, Pilate could have freed the Christ. The raid crowd was of no matter, and there ARE extant Roman records from and about Pilate.
98 posted on 12/05/2001 11:04:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Yehuda
ROFLOL!

Jerusalem was the capital of Israel for centuries before Christ and before Mohammed was a nightmare in his fathers eye -

TOO FUNNY! Thanks.

99 posted on 12/05/2001 11:06:29 PM PST by onyx
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To: Silly
Stop being silly, SILLY ! I had NO hand in Christ's crucifiction, and neither did anyone alive today. HE died for my sins, but I did NOT crucify HIM.
100 posted on 12/05/2001 11:08:12 PM PST by nopardons
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