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Ashcroft Wants National Guard on Canadian Border
http://www.foxnews.com ^ | Monday, December 03, 2001 | fox news

Posted on 12/05/2001 4:24:43 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:31:46 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ashcroft; bordersecurity; canadianborder; nationalguard
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To: F16Fighter
LOL! Fortunately, most Canadians do not resemble the likes of mxbluto, a real dunderhead. CanaDUH applies to him.
81 posted on 12/05/2001 7:46:49 PM PST by onyx
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To: cayman99
well, it says no personal attacks, but youre an idiot! no idea what the heck youre spewing about. bunch of holier than thou high and mighty BS from you, nothing else. the bill of rights doesnt apply to illegals and any non citizens, IDIOT...... IDIOTS all of you for thinking like this. sorry ship of fools!!!
82 posted on 12/05/2001 7:51:51 PM PST by nocommies
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To: timestax
Hey, bud....calm down. I agree that having the National Guard do this is probably not the best use of our money...but y'know what? I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS! I do, however, think that the Canadian border is just as much a sieve as the Mexican one, and that was what I was responding to..
83 posted on 12/05/2001 7:53:51 PM PST by goodnesswins
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To: onyx
Signing the USA (Anti) Patriot Act


Circumventing the search warrant system.

There are 2 of many of many more.

I was thinking just about the same thing about the You 'fraidy-cats, worry-warts, so-called "to hell with our Constitution I'm afraid of the terrorists and don't want to take responsibility crowd"
84 posted on 12/05/2001 7:54:26 PM PST by borntodiefree
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To: onyx
I actually like Canadians and appreciate their values. Maybe a couple are having a few too many Labatts tonite :-)
85 posted on 12/05/2001 7:55:18 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: onyx
Canadians do not resemble the likes of mxbluto

You are correct, many Canadians are not like me. They keep voting in a blockhead liberal statist fool, a fellow that I think you and F16 would love. He is also big on totalitarian government and limited civilian rights.

Is it any of my business, sure it is. I've lived and worked in the US for 8 years and in Canada for several more. The difference is negligible. There's a reason for that.

86 posted on 12/05/2001 7:55:37 PM PST by mxbluto
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To: borntodiefree
The SCOTUS rulings please?
87 posted on 12/05/2001 7:57:55 PM PST by onyx
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To: Key
This border security initiative is like the airport security issue, symbolism over substance. These efforts will hardly make the borders more secure, will be prohibitively expensive, and will fail to address the underlying problem with the government management of immigration and the visa system.

The terrorists who attacked us in the past, and the ones here now, have had to very little if any "sneaking" across the border. These guys have been welcome by lax immigration laws on both sides of the border. The problem is not the border, the problem is INS management of immigration, and the State Department handling of visa applications. Helicopters are a show for the public - a presence. Like we don't have enough government presence in our lives.

Also, this latest initiative appears rushed - like some must-deliver-before-Christmas package. Flying helicopters around a three thousand mile border, that's crazy. The US and Canada need to deal with the terrorists before they land in North America. Then, the feds and the mounties need to do some serious policing, and continue to round up the terrorists that are already here. Then they can leave the border largely alone - stop making it a hassle for everyday US and Canadian citizens from going about their business or visiting family and friends.

The no-knock raids that come with the War On Drugs are not the hallmark of a free society, and neither is a geared up military presence on our nothern border. Having a free and open border with Canada was one of the benefits of being a free and open society. The more we clamp down on the borders the more we let the terrorists erode our way of life.

88 posted on 12/05/2001 7:58:00 PM PST by citizenK
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To: mxbluto
Oh, yeah, pal, F16Fighter and I are both big government fans. (sarcasm off)

I so far to the Right that I can hardly stand to make use of my left hand and I write left-handed!

I don't care about your personal life.

89 posted on 12/05/2001 8:01:07 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx
Oh, yeah, pal, F16Fighter and I are both big government fans.

I don't know about F16 but you, well, calls 'em as I sees 'em. You like the idea of more troops deployed on your own land for an obviously ridiculous purpose, you like that they are putting down basic human rights for privacy and more. You my friend are a statist, regardless of what you think you are.

90 posted on 12/05/2001 8:07:03 PM PST by mxbluto
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To: onyx
Oh you mean our servants on the Supreme Court that are so filled with vile spewing comments like the constitution is a living document instead of a solid foundation originating out of common law. The same supreme court that generally refuses to take on any real constitutional issues.

The supreme court has gone the way of the executive and legislative branch and is just as corrupt. Dread Scott, Miller vs US, USA vs Diana Rose Lupi, US vs Indianapolis Baptist Temple, and so many more. However, it may do you some good to reread the Declaration of Independance, the Articles of Confederation, Madison Notes, and the Magna Carta, before you start spewing your socialistic manifesto.
91 posted on 12/05/2001 8:08:05 PM PST by borntodiefree
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To: mxbluto
Wait a minute -- because some of us don't mind a few temporary restrictions on our liberties in order to monitor the infestation of millions of Islamic moles who've set up shop need monitoring, we're now equated with "totalitarian government and limited civil rights"?

A gross distortion of characterization to say the least -- And exactly how do you feel your liberties are now "limited" kind sir?

92 posted on 12/05/2001 8:09:07 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: borntodiefree
PUH---LEEEEEEASE!

You Losertarians should play the tin-foil futures. Television has warped your capability for original thought.

We have real enemies, (Islamic militants) so why do you bother with the imaginary?

Ken Hamblin's first book is titled "Find a Better Country" --- so why don't you?

93 posted on 12/05/2001 8:28:00 PM PST by onyx
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To: borntodiefree
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear likely we'll be seeing the likes of Washington, Adams, Madison and Jefferson soon. What we are left with is a Supreme Court that is moderate at best, however in the case of the Florida Supreme Court verdict, thankfully it came down on the side of the Constitution.

The problems we are having to face now are as a result of the liberal ideological subversion of American courts for decades by the Justice Frankfurters and Alan Deshowitz's of the world. A turn "right" is needed, even temporarily to regain equilibrium and pause, afterall absolute freedom without discipline equals anarchy.

94 posted on 12/05/2001 8:31:54 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
I'm off to watch 20/20 (yes, really) but only because the program is a tour of the White House starring President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush, with snide remarks and stupid questions stated and posed by Babs, unfortunately.

I trust that you will handle the hysterical and tin-foil capped.

95 posted on 12/05/2001 8:32:32 PM PST by onyx
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To: Lady In Blue
Thursday, December 6, 2001

Canadians consider spy to combat people smuggling

MICHAEL CHUGANI in Seattle

Senior Canadian officials, alarmed by the success of people-smugglers, had considered asking Beijing to plant a Chinese spy in Canada to combat the illegal trade, internal government documents have revealed. Officials put forward the controversial proposal after a flood of mainland migrants reached the Canadian west coast aboard rusty ships in the summer of 1999.

Other classified documents showed Beijing had angrily lectured Canada for granting political asylum to some mainland migrants. Chinese officials told a visiting Canadian delegation in 1999 that Canada's offer of sanctuary to those it considered genuine asylum seekers amounted to a criticism of China's human rights and demographic policies, which they said were internal matters.

The documents were made available to the South China Morning Post by Vancouver-based immigration lawyer Richard Kurland, who had obtained them through Canada's access to information laws.

Parts of the documents considered too sensitive were blacked out by Canadian authorities.

Mr Kurland said he was startled by the Canadian Immigration Ministry's proposal that a Chinese spy be stationed at its Ottawa headquarters. "That would mean having a back door open for China to gain access to US intelligence data," he said.

The spy idea was contained in a paper on how to improve relations with the mainland put forward by the Canadian Immigration Ministry in late 1999.

A spokesman for the ministry said the proposal was never carried out, but Mr Kurland said there was no way to prove this one way or the other.

The paper said Canadian officials fighting people smuggling needed to nurture guanxi or personal connections with Chinese officials, but stressed this would take a long time, which meant that Canada might never be able to deport all mainland migrants not accepted as refugees.

Other documents made available to the Post include an intelligence paper warning that Canada was being used as a landing point by international crime rings to smuggle "large numbers" of Chinese migrants into North America. "International criminals are undermining our national borders at the same time as they exploit our humane refugee policies to their advantage," the paper said.

It warned that closer trade ties with China following its entry to the World Trade Organisation would at the same time make it harder for Canada to criticise Beijing's human rights behaviour. It said Canada could risk its commercial interests by taking Beijing to task on contentious issues.

Other documents revealed the mainland faced hurdles in smashing human-smuggling rings as the top snakeheads lived mostly outside China and were nationals of other countries.

96 posted on 12/05/2001 8:35:05 PM PST by expose
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To: F16Fighter
And exactly how do you feel your liberties are now "limited" kind sir

Buddy, my fellow 'citizens' are getting shafted in the same manner as yours are. What do you mean how? Unprecedented search and seizure, unlike the war on drugs, all there needs to be is suspicion and without a warrant. Tapping any means of your communication without any cause or notification to a higher authority. You can now be run up for intent for sedition, this is something that is so broadly defined that many on this board apply, and may have comments from this board building in a database right now. How about being held for no good reason at all.

All of this compiles into one thing, if you are being a good little serf, you're house can be raided, your belongings confiscated, your family torn apart, and then you can do time. THAT is what has been taken away. If you don't feel it now, wait until you find the stomach to actually stand up for something. It will be too late.

97 posted on 12/05/2001 8:36:14 PM PST by mxbluto
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To: crystalk
... the Canadian border may be very long, but mostly runs through wastelands and wilderness, with many little roads crossing that hardly would have a few vehicles a day in a busy season...and further is frozen solid half the year.

Your ignorance astonishes me ... and to put it in writing, then post it ... astonishes me even more!

98 posted on 12/05/2001 8:36:29 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: onyx
I'll adjust MY own tin-foil hat as it were...;-) Say "hi" to Babs...
99 posted on 12/05/2001 8:37:39 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: carenot
I do not trust Ashcroft.

Neither do the democrats.:)

100 posted on 12/05/2001 8:40:34 PM PST by ladyinred
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