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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Howlin
Maybe they are him too.
1,701 posted on 11/29/2001 1:25:54 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: RightOnline
I went to the Website whose URL you provided, and as God is my witness, I just spent hours over there.........digging through thread after thread after thread after "archive" after thread..

Did you see any of them talking about me? I never get talked about. (..sigh..)

I couldn't get any studmuffin feebs to come calling during the Trannie thing, either. And the 'silent calls' have stopped.

My life is so boring.

1,702 posted on 11/29/2001 1:25:57 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Jim Robinson
Hey, you guys started the party without us! That's what we get for trying to dig out after that snowstorm.

PLEASE, have mercy! My man is addicted!!! He said I would be too, but that'll never happen. /sarcasm Please don't fold on us. We are willing to pay something monthly to keep it going. Are there price breaks for couples!! ::giggle::

Say what you will, some of you, about this not being the place to put anything that is not political....but there are those of us Republicans that have issues that are relevant. Maybe you don't think an discussion about Harry Potter apropriate, and yet it is something that is influencing our youth who will be our leaders tomorrow. RIGHT? Where else can someone go to ask for prayers and people all over the US to keep their eyes open for their missing children? These are important things to fellow conservatives, and hold us all together.

Count us in on helping fund. WOW! The figures DID surprise me!

1,703 posted on 11/29/2001 1:26:01 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
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To: Bob J
Thanks Bob!
1,704 posted on 11/29/2001 1:26:11 PM PST by Topaz
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To: Jim Robinson
I've taken some time to read your reply over again and feel that I must take issue with a couple of phrases. Now that I have posting privs, why not rebut and debate, eh?

"....but you were definitely warned several times in September. You even documented your discussions with the moderators over on one of the AFer sites."

True. But check the contents of the warnings. Those warnings were not (for the most part) for being "vicious" to other posters. Most of those warnings had to do with "baiting moderators". There was one poster who requested that I not speak with her again. I accidentally replied to an article she posted and thereby recieved a warning from you around this time frame. Again, my post was not "caustic" against the poster.

"There were several abuse reports submitted about some of your posts, but not nearly as many as some of the others who got banned."

If I had to guess, I'd say most of the abuse reports had to do with the content of my articles. Not caustic replies. A few weeks ago, tpaine was involved in a tussle with the Admin Moderator. Word of the scrap was posted all over the AF sites. The Admin Mod let it "slip" that he has the capability to reach back FAR into the archives and compare how many civil replies there are as opposed to how many flames. One would think the Admin Mod could do the very same in my posting history. He/she might be surprised to find that I'm NOT caustic, as a general rule.

"The final straw that got you banned is when you became and active anti-freeper and even started dragging some of their garbage into FR. If you want to be FReeeper, you should avoid doing eschoir's bidding."

I note that Pesky is having fun with this part of your reply over at the AF board. It is false, you know. I don't do Eschoir's bidding. The day I got banned for posting "AF material" (aka the Substitution of Counsel text from the docket), I grabbed the text from a post authored by a fellow who goes by the name Snopes. Pesky didn't post that info. I brought it over here and posted it on the PROPER thread (staying on-topic, as it were) and got scorched for my trouble. Anyhoo, NONE of this was done at the behest of Eschoir.

I don't even work "in concert" with my relatives and friends most of the time. I'm damn sure not working "in concert" with Eschoir.

Happy Holidays,
Callahan

1,705 posted on 11/29/2001 1:26:47 PM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Howlin
Nope! You're not alone the que for "Arator's a Fraud and a Liar" forms at the right and is getting longer by the minute.
1,706 posted on 11/29/2001 1:27:39 PM PST by ReaganGirl
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To: Sabertooth; EternalVigilance; The Shrew; RnMomof7; MSCASEY
Saber> thanks for the heads up!

PING to the rest of you!

1,707 posted on 11/29/2001 1:28:11 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
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To: Z2
Did you ever contribute monetarily to JimRob or FreeRepublic? If not, then how would it be legally possible for you to claim any financial damages? If so, aren't your damages limited by the amount you actually "lost". Why don't you ask for a refund? If individual members of FR set up FR Chapters, how can Mr. Robinson be held personally responsible for any of their activities, except as the individuals in question post to this site? If someone is a member of an FR Chapter, are they then prohibited by law from contributing to FreeRepublic? If so, why not cite the law? Do you believe it is illegal to ask for voluntary contributions to any endeavor? Are you now, or have you ever personally profited in a financial way from any site, which parodies or maligns FreeRepubllic. If contributing members were to sign a waiver allowing any personal contributions to FreeRepublic to be used at the owner's discretion, would that satisfy you?
1,708 posted on 11/29/2001 1:28:25 PM PST by Helix
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To: Jim Robinson
If you close,
the TERRORISTS have won!
1,709 posted on 11/29/2001 1:28:29 PM PST by Feiny
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To: Howlin
Get over yourself. In case you haven't noticed, we've been getting along just fine without your sorry A$$, which is what is bothering you, I'm sure.

Hmmmm. If I did not know that FR's software is much more capable than Delphi's, I might have thought that that nasty fake Howlin had returned. Sometimes it's just hard to tell you two apart. ;^)

1,711 posted on 11/29/2001 1:30:38 PM PST by Arator
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To: ReaganGirl
One of us, my white Southern butt!
1,712 posted on 11/29/2001 1:30:42 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Nita Nupress
Well damn, darlin'.............I'll call ya, then. Just send that big ol' husband o' yours out of the house..................
1,713 posted on 11/29/2001 1:30:45 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Jim Robinson
Is FR a fraud?

In a sense, the answer is yes.

FR's structure is to take copywrited articles and post them in their entirety as the basis to begin a thread. The LA Times and Washington Post objected and told Jim Robinson to stop this practice. He Said "No". He further said it was legal to do this and even encouraged the LA Times and Washington Post to sue him if they wanted. The two papers took him up on his offer (They were going to sue him regardless of his hard toned attitude). He had "expert" legal advice and free legal help. The end result is that Free Republic owes these two newspapers 1 million of those (illegitimate) Federal Reserve Notes ( The LAT and WP won't accept Confederate money). So, while before the lawsuit he could have argued in good conscience, that it is ok to post copywrited articles and simply not do it to organizations that objected. One Million Federal Reserve Notes later and guess what? Free Republic is not posting LAT and WP articles. Why are they complying with this order ?

If they are complying with the order( and they are)then why continue to run the web - site in this fashion?

So , in a sense, the website is a fraud, and their own ( sought after with Freeper FRN'S) lawsuit validates this very point.

(They could have paid some competent lawyer about 2500 Federal Reserve Notes to tell them to not post LAT and WP articles. Instead they got FREE legal help and a 1 million Federal Reserve Note judgement against them.)

Should FR go away?

The answer to this question is very simple: It is up to you Jim. Now if the Question really is:

Should I give my hard earned Federal Reserve Notes to you so you can run this website?

The answer is NO WAY. I would not give a dime to this website. I play here, I have fun here, I read articles here, I post here. I attended the Judgement Day Rally. However, I would not give a nickel to this site. Here are several reasons why:

1. Jim Robinson blew 1 million FRN's (those are real Freeper dollars) on the WP/LAT lawsuit. bad! who gonna pay for this ( hint - they want donations)? that means for every dollar you donate to Free Republic about 50 cents goes to those liberal papers. If you don't see the connection then I can't help you.

2. On the heels of the LAT/WP lawsuit the guys at Free Republic had a brilliant idea to squeeze 1 million dollars from eschoir (can you believe this?) Well it back fired and now Free Republic doners are on the hook for another 105K FRN's. The Free Republic lawyer, clarity, took his 105 K and quit Free Republic (would you quit Free Republic for 105K?) This lawsuit to go after eschoir is a disgrace!

3. One of the stated goals of Free Republic was to provide an historical archive to future generations about the fraud that took place during the Clinton years and to give historians insight into conservatives thought during that time. Guess what ? The archives are not worth a confederate dollar anymore. There have been so many threads with heartfelt comments purged that it is not funny. All of the threads that had great debate between libertarians and conservatives from 1998 are pretty much gone. WHY? I think the answer boils down to rewriting history and not giving potential donors hard data about things that took place here several years ago. ( I might contribute if he reopens the OWK opus though- that alone would be worth an Andrew Jackson).

4. I am a Republican. during May of 1999 Jim Robinson wrote some very very nasty things about Republicans and George Bush that pretty much drove away the conservative Republicans. That was what drove Lucianne to start her website, drove out Don Morgan, Navigator, Mojo, Boston, Uncle Daddy and many others. That was also the time that the the Libertarian (Big L) and tin foil hat guys dominated. ( The Big L guys always called the conservative republican guys the coven. They accused the coven of doing the very things that are being done here NOW! - ie censoring threads out the whazoo. The funny thing is - it rarely "actually" happened then.)

5. A big turn about happened when the Gore/ Bush contest happened and all of the sudden it was cool to be Republican again. The only thing is, that the old Republican got even more cynical and really began wondering what Jim Robinson's real politacal agenda is. This wonderment fuels much of the AFer effort.

I still like the spirit of discusion here. It is FAR more entertaing than Lucianne. It is fun. But this place is never going to have a real influence on the policies of this country. (BTW - I do think that this site was a factor in Clinton's impeachment, but this site drove out the workhorse politcal "doers" like Don Morgan, and panders to the internet talkers (won't name names) and foremost to the donors)

So to all of you who want to donate to this enterprise, On behalf of my entertainment, and on behalf of the Washington Post and the L A Times shareholders, I extend to you, my heartfelt THANKS!

Lastly, I had thanked Mojo and Don Morgan several years ago for helping me see the falacy in the Libertarian arguments. Their comments helped me to see how GREAT this country really is and how Good our System actually works. I still have fond memories of those threads. I remember the Navigator- Hepperla Y2K arguments too. (Guess which party was actually correct? )

1,714 posted on 11/29/2001 1:31:49 PM PST by BRL
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To: Arator
Ah, whoever said it was right: you are stupid. Why would you even bring that up again when TLBSHOW proved you lied about it the first time around?
1,715 posted on 11/29/2001 1:31:51 PM PST by Howlin
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To: DCBryan1
I agree and would be willing (and able) to pay $10.00 per month. Jim, Please Stay!! Don't EVER Go Away!
1,716 posted on 11/29/2001 1:32:34 PM PST by proudofthesouth
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To: Jim Robinson
Please....what am I going to look at when I'm at work????
1,717 posted on 11/29/2001 1:33:46 PM PST by geege
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To: Arator
"...abused...bullied...carnage...draconian..."

You are such a hyperbolic hysteric. Grow a friggin skin.
And yes, there WAS moon landing.

1,718 posted on 11/29/2001 1:34:00 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: Helix
If contributing members were to sign a waiver allowing any personal contributions to FreeRepublic to be used at the owner's discretion, would that satisfy you?

I like your idea.
1,719 posted on 11/29/2001 1:34:53 PM PST by firewalk
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To: unsycophant
I personally don't think TLBSHOW can formulate a sentence, much less a response to your question.
1,720 posted on 11/29/2001 1:34:54 PM PST by Sam Spade
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