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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: sirgawain
If you have a free access site, you can't get mad....when people don't pay to visit!

No, but I can get ill as a snake when they don't pay and they STILL bitch and moan.

641 posted on 11/28/2001 10:41:37 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife; Sabertooth
Thanks for the ping...
642 posted on 11/28/2001 10:42:10 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: TLBSHOW
And they think we're crazy? ROFL.
643 posted on 11/28/2001 10:42:15 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Ace2U
Hi Ferret, long time no see. I hope they let you stay around. I don't think that we ever agreed on anything, but you were about the only anarchist/anarcho-libertarian who didn't always seem to be sneering.
644 posted on 11/28/2001 10:42:33 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Jim Robinson
Shut down FR?????!!!! What on earth would I do from 9 p.m. to 3 a.m.every night? This is my only source of news. Sure there are some screwy people here occasionally, but there are some of those in my hometown too. As for the money....when people send money to NPR or PBS do they sit around demanding to know how their money is spent or what it is spent for? A donation is a donation to a non-profit org. Personally, I would like to see Jim and John both take a salary of enormous wealth. Who cares? Free Republic is not a website, it's a movement and it's only just begun. My $200 a year says stay and grow.
645 posted on 11/28/2001 10:44:15 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Jim Robinson
Holiday Bump!
646 posted on 11/28/2001 10:45:49 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: Howlin
Obviously you have a reading and comprehension problem. I will pay when it becomes a subscription site. I REFUSE to support it as a charity. Except that JR just said he cannot take it that way untill after the lawsuit is settled so I guess I will conditionlly 'donate' money untill then. I have very strong reasons for not wishing to support a site which is absolutely nonexclusive. None of which involve wishing to get something of value for free.
647 posted on 11/28/2001 10:46:43 PM PST by mercy
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To: Jim Robinson
Please... keep FR going... 'til infinity and beyond!
648 posted on 11/28/2001 10:47:38 PM PST by zelig
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To: Ace2U
Hi Ferret. Before I turn in for the night, I just want to say that I miss you. Your political accumen stinks, but you always have a good heart and a sweet spirit. If I had a vote, I would say let you stay, because friendly debate is good for the mind. Stay well and God bless.
649 posted on 11/28/2001 10:47:43 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Jim Robinson
Mother of several babbling gods! I finish my day job, go help my fiance close down her salon for the night, drink a couple of stiff rums -- and this nightmare shows up on my computer screen. Now I know what a crack addict would feel like if his main source suddenly got religion and joined the Taliban and went off to southern Absurdistan to fight infidels.

I was hoping to get to bed before midnight, but I sense a vicious screed building up inside me that would make sleep impossible. Especially since I took the precaution of moving a large rum bottle and two liters of Coke right next to the keyboard. (Count your blessings, my fellow Freepers -- I left the tequila in the cabinet. JackelopeBreeder+tequila=instant homicidal clymer.) I could care less what it cost me on a monthly or yearly basis. There are some things I cannot do without. Let's see: oxygen -- maybe; our atmosphere is 80% nitrogen so maybe I can adapt. Water -- I'll pass; fish go potty in it. The four main food groups (caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, tylenol); yeah, gotta have those, but I could survive on the generic brands.

Give up Free Republic? No, not really, no (as my personal hero JarJar Binks would say). Within two weeks I'd be hanging deer tags on Democrats. "Yes, officer, now that you mention it, it does look like a jackass. Guess I thought it was a mule deer that had already dropped his antlers..."

I no longer watch TV. No loss. I lurk here, because one way or another, truth always seems to emerge. There are thousands of people here, and I honestly can't describe a single real Freeper (disruptors excluded) as an honest to God dumbass. There are umpteen thousand of us in every discipline and interest known to man. Sooner or later, the real story emerges.

Do I agree with everything I see on this site? No. Do I agree with every decision made by Jim Robinson and the site moderators? No. But I spend hours here each and every day. My employers, in their infinite innocence/naivete, have a T1 line coming to my desk.

Jim is not joking about the costs of running a site like this. In my opinion, his cost figures are low because he gets a lot of volunteer help. I know -- I help run my company's websites. Two are your standard sort of commercial websites; the other two are classified and run on parallel military/government nets. It would take us a couple of months to match the bandwidth traffic Free Republic sees in a single day, but our bills run a lot higher than Jim's. Think about it when you send that $20 a month to your ISP.

I guess the real question is: What price do you put on real Knowledge? What are you willing to pay to see the day's events dissected and analyzed by some of the sharpest minds on the planet, and not by a bunch of talking heads who spend more time in the make-up chair than they do trying to make sense out of staged film clips and carefully crafted sound bites?

650 posted on 11/28/2001 10:48:17 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder
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To: Jim Robinson
That's because they are COWARDS, Jim . If you read the anti-FREEPER / anti-FreeRepublic threads, they vent unceasingly. When a few come back here, they either act like a bunch of Uriah Heaps, or curse you out. They haven't got they guts to do more. : - )
651 posted on 11/28/2001 10:49:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin; tekman; All
These cry babies and tall tales posters are nothing! lolrof

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx TKEman 2:36 am

To: Eschoir (ESCHOIRFR) (2 of 2)

Ok, you broke me down. I had to cheat and look. No one else moved up to the bar. I did. The truth must be spoken. You are still on ignore, until I can be assured that you're not going to cause unity problems here.

Just my opinion. Yes, I am nothing. I admit. Only my opinion.

You are a good guy though. But you divide our energies.

652 posted on 11/28/2001 10:49:20 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: mercy
. I have very strong reasons for not wishing to support a site which is absolutely nonexclusive.

Then why, pray tell, did you return?

653 posted on 11/28/2001 10:49:29 PM PST by Howlin
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To: JohnHuang2
The Captain Of The Red October Super Ping's is in...everyone watch out!
654 posted on 11/28/2001 10:49:32 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: nopardons
They lie, plain and simple.
655 posted on 11/28/2001 10:50:04 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jim Robinson; BADJOE; Billie; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Just let us know , anytime and we will do a logo and link at the Canteen when you have the fund raising. We are FReepers first, the Canteen would not even be possible without you and FR and the wonderful FReepers.Plus all the others fantastic threads and FReeping that are so important to all of us.Thank you so much with all my heart.
656 posted on 11/28/2001 10:51:34 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: Jim Robinson
Just signing in to vote for a continuation of FR. After the March for Justice, the Clinton-era protests, the state chapter meetings, and the Inauguration celebration, you all are family to me. Please don't ever go away. Thank you JimRob!
657 posted on 11/28/2001 10:52:04 PM PST by bets
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To: Howlin; Jim Robinson
It's those darn Harry Potter books he's been readin'
658 posted on 11/28/2001 10:52:30 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Howlin
.... My join date is July of 1998, so I have been here longer than you have.

Did you ever frequent the Rush Room on the "old" Townhall.com chat?

I got my first graphical browser capable computer back in May of 1996 and sometime after that I sought out Conservative web sites to soothe my clinton-induced depression and found Town Hall chat, some nice lady on the chat pointed me to FreeRepublic.

Like here over there I was mostly a listener too and lurked FR for about a year before I got the itch to post and had to join, so sometime in the fall of '97 someone pointed me here and I'm trying to remember who.

I also remember IRC chat on the FreeRepublic channel, the name of which I can't remember the exact syntax, but do remember it was during the Clinton bombings of Iraq because I talked a lot to a FReeper who was stationed in Kuwait, he also moderated the channel.

Man things were different then

659 posted on 11/28/2001 10:52:37 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: My Favorite Headache
did you read Jim Robs #612?
660 posted on 11/28/2001 10:52:52 PM PST by GeronL
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