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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
I just thought you said you were not going to post here anymore. Like I said before I was right you'd be back in a heartbeat! Now get away from those nut cases and mentals over there and get back on track. With this thread which should never get pulled stands as a end to the freaks over there and their spew. It is over for them since there are about 1300 against your motley crew of 4.

Its over Harry the anti's can now fight with each other LOLROFLMAO

Dec 6th 9 pm THE TLBSHOW ATTACK THE ATTACK DOGS!

1,321 posted on 11/29/2001 8:22:45 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Sure, nobody who registered after I did is allowed to diagree with me!! LOL.

**checks my Date of Membership, then compares it to yours**

Um, guess I agree.

*LOL* :)
1,322 posted on 11/29/2001 8:23:31 AM PST by k2blader
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
you're not kidding when you said you expected to be banned in 2 hours. I remember you. You were always civil and a good debator, maybe stubborn, but nowhere close to being ban-worthy.

But you've changed! You ran into the Anti-Freepers, and well... made a butthole of yourself... and now you're TRYING to get banned in order to draw attention to yourself and tell all those anti-freepers how unfair JimRob was.

If you're not trying to get banned, then you're giving a very good impression otherwise.

1,323 posted on 11/29/2001 8:24:59 AM PST by Nataku X
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To: k2blader
If you have to agree with everybody, then I guess I can flame anybody...
1,324 posted on 11/29/2001 8:25:52 AM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: Jim Robinson
KEEP IT!!!! My withdrawals would be horrible!

Whatever it takes...When's the next fundraiser.

Don't let your enemies get you down, Jim! Your friends and supporters have them vastly outnumbered.

1,325 posted on 11/29/2001 8:25:56 AM PST by hattend
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To: Richard Axtell
I was debating how to best show my thoughts and concerns about FR and your post states my views perfectly.

Thank you for insightful post.

1,326 posted on 11/29/2001 8:26:00 AM PST by Don Munn
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Uh, no and no. Hope that helps!

Sorry to hear that Harry, I really am. On most issues, you were a postive factor around here and I thought highly of you. If this isn't a sour grape, I would be at a loss to understand your opinion on this affair.

1,327 posted on 11/29/2001 8:29:18 AM PST by bjs1779
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To: Joe Hadenuf
>>...just as entrenched as the liberals on some issues and stands just as ready to silence opposition to that mindset even when it comes from well meaning conservatives
>I also agree with this statement, respectfully.

I've never understood what people mean when they say this.

"Silence opposition?" Other than getting banned -- which happens very rarely -- how in the world can anyone be "silenced" in a public forum? Sure, people get called names. Sure people get laughed at. But that doesn't tie their fingers together and stop them from typing. [shrugs] Heck, even when people get ganged up on it's just a metaphorical thing -- even _that_ doesn't squash their hands and stop them from typing.

Heck, I've had the legalize it crowd turn on me. So what? I once spoke out against the Viet Nam war in a soldier's thread and dealt with the consequences of that. People can't reach out of the screen and break your fingers! I'm still typing.

In a computer forum, nobody "silences" anyone. I just don't get it.

Mark W.

1,328 posted on 11/29/2001 8:32:31 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: Jim Robinson
Keep up the good work Jim. I love FR. Someone post a link for online donations. Money is on the way....Peace!
1,329 posted on 11/29/2001 8:37:58 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: Jim Robinson
Re: My Post #1112..........

$25 check written, envelope addressed, check inserted into envelope, stamp affixed, envelope sealed............will be inserted into blue R2-D2 postal container during my lunch break.

It's lunchtime........the checks in the mail!!!!!!!

1,330 posted on 11/29/2001 8:38:33 AM PST by DoctorMichael
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To: TLBSHOW
"With this thread which should never get pulled stands as a end to the freaks...."

Am I to understand (by this mess you've made of the English language) that you don't expect this thread to get pulled?

Oh, my sides!

1,331 posted on 11/29/2001 8:39:49 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
I know that you want me to think you're an idiot, but I have faith in your ability to comprehend written words.

I did not say: "Jim is the victim here." I said that Jim has been the victim of distorted lies for a long time. Maybe longer than you've been around. The official antifreeper line used to be that it was about 'exposing hypocrisy'. Then it changed to be 'exposing FR's corruption'. No matter who says what, the participants who engage in 'antifreeping' (and boy, do I use that term loosely!) were never up to much more than being vindictive. For some it was because they were banned. Others were pissed because Free Republic wasn't being operated in their best interests. Some, like Eschoir, had a special talent for manipulating facts and people, and he enjoyed a long run at 'antifreeping' by gathering people around him who liked the fact that he was a minor celebrity at Free Republic. They were sort of gullible groupies.

Somewhere along the way, all of these people started to believe that they were pursuing some noble cause on behalf of the "FRuckers" at Free Republic. They weren't, and aren't. You might consider that neither are you. No matter what points you make, they will always be irrrelevant because you discredit yourself more than anyone else can by attempting to disguise your resentment at being banned. Be honest about it, and you'll be better off in the long run. Trust me.

I laughed at YOUR comments about Howling, or Howlin. Bzzzzzzt.

1,332 posted on 11/29/2001 8:40:23 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: Cyber Liberty
If you have to agree with everybody, then I guess I can flame anybody...

**does the DOM comparison again**

1998...nice...

Um, guess I agree...again...

*LOL*
1,333 posted on 11/29/2001 8:40:44 AM PST by k2blader
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To: Nakatu X
"If you're not trying to get banned, then you're giving a very good impression otherwise."

We'll soon find out. Click on my user name tomorrow.

In the meantime, Cheers!

1,334 posted on 11/29/2001 8:41:32 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Rodney King
Why not just come by and FReep every day like we all do? Post stories, comment on others, etc. Why the need to discuss the inner workings of FR all the time? There are very few people in this world with the leadership, vision, or commitment who would have kept this site up and running all of this time. Cut them some slack.

I don't know about Harry, but I've tried that several times, only to experience the same abusive cycle at the hands of Jim Rob and/or his "Anonymoderators": my perfectly good, non-rule-breaking threads get pulled for no apparent reason and myself or other FReepers I care about get banned without cause. That's why I can no longer be content to passively acquiesce to continuing and ever more intolerable FR mangagement abuse of its guests. The systematic abuse of FReepers on this site by the management must stop in order for me (and no doubt many others) to want to spend our time (or money) here. It's as simple as that.

1,335 posted on 11/29/2001 8:42:38 AM PST by Arator
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To: TKEman
The lawsuit exists because you refused to quit posting full text documents. How can you admit otherwise? Your posts on this matter exist on the anti sites. Does Drudge do this? Other sites? I don't believe this constitutes "fair use," regardless of what you think.

Ultimately, this lawsuit issue will shut down Free Republic. Already your "pro bono" lawyer has agreed to 1 million dollars regarding this. I'm not a lawyer, but have worked for some of the high powered ones. Upon questioning, they think you're wrong on this issue.

Dude, it is fair use. To believe otherwise is to accept the premise of LATWP - that there should be only a single electronic copy of ANY news article in existence anywhere on the planet, protected behind a pay-per-view firewall and open to Orwellian memory-hole tampering. How would you prove that LAT re-wrote an article after publication? To post the original would be a copyright violation. Get it? Once they win the lawsuit, I'm betting that microfiche storage of newspapers at university libraries goes away, and is replaced by the single online electronic copy, with the hard-copy subscription soon to follow (though the CHARGE for the hard-copy subscription won't go away - big$$$$$!!!).

1,336 posted on 11/29/2001 8:43:00 AM PST by an amused spectator
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To: Jim Robinson
Keep it and to hell with the detractors and critics.

If they have the time, money and ability they are free to start their own sites. This is America.

Nobody is forced to come here or pay so any whiners should either try to compete or shut the hell up.

1,337 posted on 11/29/2001 8:44:12 AM PST by Bikers4Bush
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To: DCBryan1
a subscription seems reasonable
1,338 posted on 11/29/2001 8:45:13 AM PST by pointsal
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To: Howlin
I was never banned. Not once. Haven't been yet. Probably will be shortly. I was warned once or twice back in April (I think).

You realize, of course that this is simply a tool to generate funds.

All I ask is what was asked countless times here of Clinton. Accountability.

Check out:
www.delphi.com\frureform

1,339 posted on 11/29/2001 8:47:36 AM PST by TKEman
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To: Jim Robinson
I think FreeRepublic is great! BTTT
1,340 posted on 11/29/2001 8:47:47 AM PST by sunny
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