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St Paul foresaw Islam; warned against Preterism
Biible and myself | 27 Nov 2001 | myself

Posted on 11/27/2001 5:15:03 PM PST by crystalk

St Paul, after his conversion in Damascus, spent a period in exile in Arabia. This is usually given as five years; surely it was between 3 and 7 years. The reason given for this period of study, meditation, and contemplation is usually that he had a price on his head set by the religious authorities in Jerusalem on account of his conversion to Christianity in AD 37. Conventionally, he is said to have re-emerged from Arabia to live in Antioch (present Antakya in Turkey at NE corner of the Med) for the next period of his life, using it as a base for his famous missionary journeys and then (in 59-60) saying farewell to it forever when he was sent to Rome as a prisoner.

It is because of Paul's experience in Arabia that he is able to tell us that Sinai, the Mount of God, is located there, not in the so-called Sinai Peninsula of Egypt. He also visited Mecca, which even then was the shining star of the entire Arab people and peninsula, home of the shrines and mystery cults to the goddesses of the Moon and Venus; even then centered at the Black Stone of the Ka'aba, the Stone that Fell Down From Venus.

We know that this cult is very ancient, and from the point of view of the Jews, very Satanic. Some 4000 years ago, Abraham's first-born son, Ishmael, had become a priest of that cult, and he lived out his days as such there in Mecca. This despite Abraham's visiting him there to try to talk him into returning to worship of YHWH. The prophet Daniel, writing in the sixth century BC (yes, yes, I know the rabbinic committees kept redacting him, deleting material, revising...until BC 162, but that is a purely literary process. The prophet died in 529 or 519 BC, according to two differing traditions.)...Daniel called this cult the Abomination of Desolation, or the Abomination that will Make (the Land) Desolate...for by its murder and lawlessness it will cause the depopulation of the Land...

Jesus tells his incredulous listeners on the Mt of Olives that this desert abomination of the Arabs would be set up right there, right before their eyes as it were, on the Temple Mount! This happened after the Islamic conquest of 638, the Dome of the Rock's dedication in 691, and el-Aqsa's dedication in 707. As Jesus said, Christians were to flee for their lives from the land when they saw this. In 638, 4 million persons lived in Israel. In 1798, when Napoleon visited he found just 45,000 persons living in the entire country, two-thirds of those in the city of Jerusalem, and all desperately poor. The Abomination had caused the Desolation.

Even now, that Abomination still stands in the Holy Place in the person of the Dome, showing Christians that (A) they are not to seek to domicile themselves in that Land, in fact they are to flee it for their lives!...and (B) that the Times of the Gentiles, also known as the Indignation or Wrath of God, against Israel in this world for its sins, is not yet over. Yet that wrath is someday to end, someday soon. The prophetic numbers are given, but that is another subject.

In 2 Thess 2, Paul having returned from Mecca tells us that (a) the Mecca cult, also known as the Mystery of Iniquity, was already in operation, up and running. No one restrained it from taking over the World, except the Roman (European) power, and no one but that power ever would restrain it. When that power (of Rome) was taken out of the way, then the Man of Sin (Mohammed) would be revealed, the son of perdition, whose cult would set itself up in the place of God, and show itself off to the entire world as if it WERE God. Never would we be entirely free of the Mecca cult, Paul warns, until the Second Coming of Jesus, at which time the brightness of Jesus' coming would destroy it. We can know that Jesus has not returned, the eschaton has not happened, because Mecca still flaunts its demonic self in God's place.

Paul thus warns us explicitly against preterism, for he says that fraudulent letters in his name and those of the other apostles, were already circulating in his own day, to the effect that the Second Coming would occur in that time (1st Cent) or even already Had Occurred! (!)

But Paul will have none of it. No, no, he says, the End will not come until there is a falling away (from truth and religious observance, on the part of Christians and Jews) and that Man of Sin (Mohammed) been revealed, the final display of whose cult we may not yet have seen, for some teach that the Black Stone will actually be brought from Mecca and placed there on God's mountain, along with His White Stone.

May that not occur, may the Mecca Cult speedily be brought down in our days, May the Temple speedily be rebuilt in our days, and May the Prophecies speedily all be fulfilled in our days, is my prayer.

PS. In Rev. 3, Jesus tells us (but specifically the Eastern (orthodox) churches, who dwell there facing the Mecca cult, where Satan's seat is...that if they can overcome it, Jesus will give them a share in His Own White Stone, the eben shetiya atop the Temple Mount-- a dramatic contrast with Satan's Black Stone in Mecca.


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1 posted on 11/27/2001 5:15:03 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk; BibChr; MississippiMan
FYI bump
2 posted on 11/27/2001 5:20:09 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: dennisw; Yardstick; drstevej
FYI here is more crystalkery.
3 posted on 11/27/2001 5:34:01 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
bttt
4 posted on 11/27/2001 5:35:52 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: crystalk
Great essay. I like all your posts. Now don't get a swelled head :)
5 posted on 11/27/2001 5:52:18 PM PST by dennisw
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To: crystalk
Mind providing chapter and verse on the Mt. of Olives speech you refer to?
6 posted on 11/27/2001 5:55:50 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: crystalk
Thanks for posting this. Excellent.
7 posted on 11/27/2001 6:01:20 PM PST by crazykatz
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To: St.Chuck
Oh, for starters, Matthew 23:37 to 24:15, or all of Ch. 24...Mark also says the same thing in ch. 13 esp vs 14 etc. NT and OT foretell unending war between Christendom and Islam ending only with Armageddon and the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. See also Luke 17, Luke 21, Rev 3, Rev 11, or just read the whole NT plus the OT from Psalm 80 or so on.
8 posted on 11/27/2001 6:11:28 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
bttt
9 posted on 11/27/2001 6:13:29 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: crazykatz
Been hearing variations on this subject for about six years now. The math and the dates are facinating. First read about it in a book called SOZO a survival guide for a remnant church by Ellis Skolfield. Great post!
10 posted on 11/27/2001 6:18:39 PM PST by Emmanual_Goldstein16
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To: crystalk
Thank you for posting this.....I only wish everyone would read it.
11 posted on 11/27/2001 6:20:32 PM PST by mickie
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To: Emmanual_Goldstein16
Where do you think HE got it? I live in Florida too, and have been teaching it for longer. But never mind, who gets the credit, just so the word gets out, NEVER has the world so needed to hear the words of the prophetic passages of Scripture, and just now we have the evil demon of Preterism right there in the Presbyterian Pulpit telling them the whole thing is done away with and the prophecies don't mean anything.
12 posted on 11/27/2001 6:25:00 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
Sorry. I just don't buy into this. I guess my biggest problem is the overall premise ... it is only the year 1422 in the Islamic calendar. (Islamic years are even shorter than Gregorian years, so you can't compare.. ) BUT even if you wanted to, how does only 1422 years equate to an ancient culture when it is not...

Trying to interpret obscurisms from past saints' writings as validation of a current belief while condeming Harry Potter seems, well looney to me.

13 posted on 11/27/2001 6:26:06 PM PST by Utopia
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To: crystalk
Very imaginative take-off of God's word, but really just as weak as preterism in two respects:

1. Your re-definition of the abomination of desolation from Antiochus Epiphanes to Mohammad.

2. The abomination of desolation is clearly shown in Revelation to be a world leader/dictator.

Also, desolation literally means to make soiled, or dirty. - The word has been twisted in the 20th century to be a synonym for bleak.

14 posted on 11/27/2001 6:30:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor
Bull.
15 posted on 11/27/2001 6:36:46 PM PST by crystalk
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To: codeword
FYI
16 posted on 11/27/2001 6:44:24 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: crystalk
You're really raising the level of debate here (/sarcasm)
17 posted on 11/27/2001 6:45:25 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor
Better that than try to fool people by introducing outright falsehood, as you do by saying the A of D might have been Antiochus, who flourished some 170's BC, when you know perfectly well that Jesus said it was yet FUTURE IN HIS DAY!

You owe us all an apology for that alone. And trying to pretend that the Heb. "shamam" does now mean, or ever has meant, anything but a wasteland, desert, desolation, esp. one which once DID have inhabitants, is also false and I think you know it.

I repeat, sir, DOUBLE bull!

I call on every Jew and Hebrew speaker reading this to refute and condemn your malign statements.

18 posted on 11/27/2001 6:51:32 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
St Paul foresaw Islam; warned against Preterism

NO WAY!! NO WAY!! PAUL NEVER FORESAW ISLAM!! NEVER!! NO WAY!! NO WAY!!
........ISLAM IS NOT IN PROPHECY,,,,AMERICA IS NOT IN PROPHECY!!

The article is fantacy and vanity!! BABEL-BABEL

THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANCE OF EITHER ISLAM OR AMERICA BECAUSE THE NEW JEWISH TEMPLE IS NOT YET BUILT.

GOD's HOLY PLACE OF SIGNIFICANCE IS TO BE THE HOLY PLACE IN THE NEWLY REBUILT JEWISH TEMPLE.

WHEN YOU SEE THAT NEW JEWISH TEMPLE REBUILT,........THEN and ONLY THEN,...START YOUR PROPHETIC TIME CLOCK FOR 'SIGNS of TEMPLE TIMES'....!!

Bottom Line::.........Don't be an 'alarmist' until the New Jewish Temple is Built!!

19 posted on 11/27/2001 6:53:22 PM PST by maestro
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To: crystalk
Your essay does much violence to the biblical text.
20 posted on 11/27/2001 6:53:29 PM PST by good1
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