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1 posted on 11/27/2001 5:15:03 PM PST by crystalk
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FYI bump
2 posted on 11/27/2001 5:20:09 PM PST by Free the USA
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bttt
4 posted on 11/27/2001 5:35:52 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: crystalk
Mind providing chapter and verse on the Mt. of Olives speech you refer to?
6 posted on 11/27/2001 5:55:50 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: crystalk
Thanks for posting this. Excellent.
7 posted on 11/27/2001 6:01:20 PM PST by crazykatz
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To: crystalk
Sorry. I just don't buy into this. I guess my biggest problem is the overall premise ... it is only the year 1422 in the Islamic calendar. (Islamic years are even shorter than Gregorian years, so you can't compare.. ) BUT even if you wanted to, how does only 1422 years equate to an ancient culture when it is not...

Trying to interpret obscurisms from past saints' writings as validation of a current belief while condeming Harry Potter seems, well looney to me.

13 posted on 11/27/2001 6:26:06 PM PST by Utopia
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Very imaginative take-off of God's word, but really just as weak as preterism in two respects:

1. Your re-definition of the abomination of desolation from Antiochus Epiphanes to Mohammad.

2. The abomination of desolation is clearly shown in Revelation to be a world leader/dictator.

Also, desolation literally means to make soiled, or dirty. - The word has been twisted in the 20th century to be a synonym for bleak.

14 posted on 11/27/2001 6:30:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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St Paul foresaw Islam; warned against Preterism

NO WAY!! NO WAY!! PAUL NEVER FORESAW ISLAM!! NEVER!! NO WAY!! NO WAY!!
........ISLAM IS NOT IN PROPHECY,,,,AMERICA IS NOT IN PROPHECY!!

The article is fantacy and vanity!! BABEL-BABEL

THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANCE OF EITHER ISLAM OR AMERICA BECAUSE THE NEW JEWISH TEMPLE IS NOT YET BUILT.

GOD's HOLY PLACE OF SIGNIFICANCE IS TO BE THE HOLY PLACE IN THE NEWLY REBUILT JEWISH TEMPLE.

WHEN YOU SEE THAT NEW JEWISH TEMPLE REBUILT,........THEN and ONLY THEN,...START YOUR PROPHETIC TIME CLOCK FOR 'SIGNS of TEMPLE TIMES'....!!

Bottom Line::.........Don't be an 'alarmist' until the New Jewish Temple is Built!!

19 posted on 11/27/2001 6:53:22 PM PST by maestro
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To: crystalk
Your essay does much violence to the biblical text.
20 posted on 11/27/2001 6:53:29 PM PST by good1
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In Rev. 3, Jesus tells us (but specifically the Eastern (orthodox) churches, who dwell there

Please explain why specifically the Eastern Orthodox churches. Where did this come from ?

32 posted on 11/27/2001 7:31:30 PM PST by DreamWeaver
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bump for later
57 posted on 11/28/2001 3:44:00 AM PST by Centurion2000
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In 2 Thess 2, Paul having returned from Mecca tells us that (a) the Mecca cult,
also known as the Mystery of Iniquity, was already in operation, up and running.

Huh, is that why Clinton was so nice to Osama?

61 posted on 11/28/2001 3:53:37 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: crystalk
I appreciate biblical speculation. When we engage in it, however, it is best to very clearly spell out that it is speculation, i.e., the opinion of the writer.

There are some strengths to your speculation.

1. The attempt to explain the "abomination of desolation."
2. An additional attempt to explain the "time of the Gentiles."
3. The gutting of preterism with Paul's warning believers NOT to believe the event had occurred in his day and would not until man of sin revealed.

There are also weaknesses.

1. There simply is no evidence that Paul ever visited Mecca. Just because he visited Arabia is no reason to assume he visited Mecca.
2. The Temple did not exist for Mohammed to "sit in the temple of God, showing himself that he is god."
3. The mystical play with "black stone/white stone" is not mentioned in scripture. Any attempt to assume a direct interpretation from Revelation is just that: an assumption/speculation.

I do commend you on your efforts to piece together the puzzle. I encourage you to continue looking and rearranging the pieces. Your theory, in its present form, isn't quite there yet.

62 posted on 11/28/2001 3:54:26 AM PST by xzins
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To: crystalk
Very interesting.
66 posted on 11/28/2001 6:44:36 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: crystalk
In 2 Thess 2, Paul having returned from Mecca tells us that ....

No, Paul most assuredly does not "tell us: anything at all about Mecca. For those who want to read for themselves, poke here.

There's no discussion about the "Cult of Mecca" at all -- instead, there's an allusion to what is usually called the Anti-Christ. What I do see, is you trying to fob off on us an anti-Islam screed diguised as Biblical exegesis.

Interestingly, Paul leads that chapter off with this:

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

An interesting couterpoint to a commentary that assures us, Yet that wrath is someday to end, someday soon. The prophetic numbers are given, but that is another subject.

Perhaps you should take Paul's warning to heart.....

69 posted on 11/28/2001 9:06:02 AM PST by r9etb
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To: crystalk
Nice fairy tale, but if you believe any of this is true, up your meds.
93 posted on 11/29/2001 6:35:42 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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