St Paul foresaw Islam; warned against Preterism

Biible and myself | 27 Nov 2001 | myself

[crystalk]

If you think I am bad, look at what "editor-surveyor" dares to say. And look at the screaming screed just preceding this.

Admit it, you all know I am right, you just don't want to be politically incorrect by opposing Islam.

Or, you don't want your Muslim neighbor to shoot you.

[crystalk]

Only if all of Christian and church history is invalid and without merit. You just shout at me in capital letters that I am wrong, and make no case. Are you Jewish or Christian? Or Muslim?

Whichever is the case, the NT foresees many, many more things than are dreamed of in your philosophy, as does the Tanakh.

[editor-surveyor]

Calm down, you're loosing it!

The abomination of desolation (or little horn) is a dual event, as is most major prophecy. - until you understand that principle you would do better to lurk here and read; there are some really brilliant contributors here at FR (and I don't mean myself :-) that can teach you a lot.

[crystalk]

As to your reference to Revelation, you also try to mislead the public by pretending that the abomination of desolation is ever even referred to in that book!

Furthermore, if Mohammed and his Muslim armies of fanatics, not yet extinct by any means, are not world leaders/dictators, what then ARE they? The Antichrist (Mahdi) is just a future epitome of fanatical demonic Islam...

[editor-surveyor]

"Admit it, you all know I am right, you just don't want to be politically incorrect by opposing Islam."

You just never read anything here, do you?

I would think that this was humor if you weren't "foaming at the mouth" in your replies.

[crystalk]

I understood that principle before (I should guess) you were born!

I notice you say nothing to apologize for three stated or implied outright falsehoods:

A. That the A of D might have been Antiochus, when you know Jesus says that ALL/both applications are future.

B. That the Hebrew word "shamam" can (you say) mean a dirt or stain, etc. rather than a wasteland, a desolation, wilderness, desert...Either you have no Hebrew at all, or you were intentionally attempting to mislead.

C. You also imply (and nearly SAY) that the A of D is mentioned in Revelation, when you know that it is not. You also say that it there represents a world political leader such as a dictator, which it might sometimes be, perhaps, but cannot do so in Revelation for there it never appears.

Oh, no, I have not lost it. I am onto every trick.

[crystalk]

That comment about opposing Islam being politically incorrect is both accurate, and also addressed to another poster and not to you.

[drstevej]

Where is it documented that Paul visited Mecca? Or that Abraham visited Mecca?

Interesting post. Speculative at a number of places but thought provoking.

[gg188]

Crystalk:can you refer us to any others' works that present a similar interpretation of the Bible---other scholars or apologists or writers? I would like to know more. Not saying I doubt you. (ps---political correctness is so engrained in our psyche that people don't even realize it when their thoughts are guided by it, much as one's knee jerks spontaneously when the doc taps it with a hammer. People are so brainwashed with "diversity and political correctness are good but Christians and America are bad" that it is a conditioned reflex, and not a conscious choice at all.)

[kampeska]

Armageddon is the place where the Jews were to confront the Romans in one of the Jewish wars. It was spoken of as profacy so the speakers would not be crusified.

[crystalk]

You are so right, gg. I agree with your whole post.

I cannot point you to published sources, of course. Why? If you think Salman Rushdie got into trouble, what do you think would be done to any publishing house or published author who published THIS?

Just go stay a week or two in a Serbian Orthodox monastery, and study with the good brothers there, and you will learn much about Islam, much more than even I (a mere babe by comparison) know or have suffered...

[DreamWeaver]

In Rev. 3, Jesus tells us (but specifically the Eastern (orthodox) churches, who dwell there

Please explain why specifically the Eastern Orthodox churches. Where did this come from ?

[Emmanual_Goldstein16]

I am interested in what your source materials might be. I understand the historicist underpinnings of your post and would like to learn more on the subject. I wish more people would think outside the box of their cherished traditions.

[crystalk]

Because that church, Pergamum, represents Eastern Orthodoxy, just as Thyatira represents Roman Catholicism, Sardis the (now) fallen liberal 1517 Protestants such as the PCUSA, Philadelphia the revivals of 1776-1900 approx, Laodicea the rich people of the West who know nothing of the reseves of Christendom that they are living off of, and battening on, and think they have gone beyond Christianity.

Bah! Muslims will have them all for lunch, will kill them sooner than they will me.

[drstevej]

Try John F. Walvoord: Daniel : The Key to Prophetic Revelation or same author: The Revelation of Jesus Christ

Walvoord was president of Dallas Seminary for many years and taught me biblical prophecy. He is a recognized scholar on the books of Daniel and Revelation.

[drstevej]

Try John F. Walvoord: Daniel : The Key to Prophetic Revelation or same author: The Revelation of Jesus Christ

Walvoord was president of Dallas Seminary for many years and taught me biblical prophecy. He is a recognized scholar on the books of Daniel and Revelation.

[crystalk]

Great place to visit--"Satan's Seat" itself!

Paul and Abraham were both rich, they both toured Arabia, they both had a flair for publicity and would never have turned down the opportunity to visit the largest (and one of the few then) cities IN Arabia, and get the title of Hodge thrown in for free!

Do you seriously think that a millionaire tourist visiting America in 1899 would not have seen Niagara Falls? Saratoga? Grand Canyon, maybe Yellowstone>

But those are very UNlikely. That Paul and Abraham visited Mecca is like saying those tourists visited New York City!

Besides that, of course, we are told in Qaballah that they did so visit anyway. Muslims themselves admit they visited, and have legends about it.

[Alamo-Girl]

I just felt compelled to share this. When I first learned that Islamic fundamentalism was behind the terrorism, the following passage came to my mind:

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. John 16:2 As I recall, every prophecy had a fulfillment in short term and another in the distant future. In the above passage, the Paul-like hunt to kill Christians was done to serve God. And now, the Islamic fundamentalists seek to kill Christians to serve God.

Were there any other incidents where Christians were being killed as a service to God?

[maestro]

December 7, 1941
:-(

[Alamo-Girl]

Hmmmm .... I've been looking for the reason behind the attack on Pearl Harbor and haven't yet found a document which says it was done to kill Christians to serve God. Do you have any clues for me?