Posted on 11/26/2001 9:33:39 AM PST by Aerial
Oops! I forgot to mention this.
Who was the young girl who testified before congress? Why, none other than Keri Jewell, herself.
Do you still believe everthing the ATF, FBI and the Media say? (rhetorical question)
dan
Good point. I always wondered why they had to "investigate" anything. I saw all I needed to see right on tv live when it happened. Before ATF: Peaceful citizens living on their private property for 90 years. After ATF: 80 dead people. Accident? Didn't look like it to me. It's usually not a coincidence when an army travels to and assaults someone's home with machine guns, tanks, flammable gas, and incendiary devices and someone in the home ends up dead.
I would refer you, Mike Manske, and MJM59 to previous threads on Waco and the rather excellent rebuttals already posted on this thread to refute the idiotic assertions which prompted my comments. Come back and ask me if you need help with the hard parts.
I disagree. The FLIR offers incontrovertible evidence to anyone who views it that the FBI fired into the building. It makes a firsthand witness out of everyone who sees it.
Guilty? Who said anything about guilty?
Waco was handled "by the book" according to Danforth's final report. Thanks to the report's being issued under cover of "election crisis" on November 8, 2000 and Bush's studiously avoiding all mention of Waco lest it "politicize" the presidential election campaign (oh, the horror!).
Perhaps you need to reconsider the PATRIOT Act and other measures of increased powers and profiling of innocent citizens given the fact that -- clearly -- neither Bush nor the GOP had any problems with Clinton and Reno's handling of Waco.
... folks like you consider it "case closed" when -- to borrow a Brzerzinsky phrase re: Kosovo -- it's "a microcosm of what the world is about to be" ... even in the land of the "Prairie Chapel" ranch.
And therein lies the rub. Exactly what are you "seeing" on this FLIR that originally came from the FBI?
The truth is that you are "seeing" exactly what the FBI wants you to "see." It's a diversion.(Waco: A New Revelation)
You can't see the "shooter" and you can't see the "shootee".
More importantly, examining the photos of the back of the building just prior to the time when the fire broke out shows that the "shooters" couldn't see the "shootees" because there were wooden and concrete walls between the two. Look at where the bodies of those whom died from gunshot wounds were recovered.
None were found near any of the exits located at the rear of the building. All were found either inside, in front of or on top of the concrete pantry.
Those bullets must be made of a substance that's more magical than the one used to kill Kennedy because they are able to pass right through poured concrete walls without leaving a single mark.
Look at the forensic evidence. All of the peoples' bodies whom were killed on February 28 still contained the round that killed them. Of those whom the government claims were shot and killed on April 19, not a single one was recovered with a projectile that caused their deaths still inside their bodies . Talk about magic bullets!
The reality of the situation was that the Davidians were probably killed in the days leading up to April 19.
Look at the widely varying states of decomposition of the bodies. Look at the fact that the FBI allowed the bodies to liquify to prevent any detailed examination of the causes of death. No effort was made during the time of recovery to determine the cause or more importantly, the time of death, only the manner of death. Sure, they died from gunshot wounds. But the real question is how and when?
An excellent example is the circumstances surrounding Jimmy Riddle's and Phillip Henry's deaths. Both were shot to death. Both were found in the kitchen area in front of the concrete pantry. Neither had any trace of either Carbon Monoxide or Cyanide in their blood. A recent forensic examination came to the conclusion that Jimmy Riddle's body had been mutilated by being run over by a tank.
When CS particles are burned, they form cyanide. When Methylene Chloride is inhaled and metabolized, it forms carbon monoxide in the bloodstream. Given the fact that news video shows a tank driving into the front of the building to deliver CS gas into the kitchen area throughout the morning of April 19 points to one inescapable conclusion. These two were already shot dead long before the fire broke out. But these weren't the only two. Look at the forensic evidence.
According to Waco: A New Revelation, (WANR) Riddle's body was recovered from the back of the gym. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is yet more diversion. The feds want you to look at the back of the building where no gunshot wound victims' bodies were found and ignore the front of the building where all of these bodies were found.
No offense, but you have been duped by government propaganda. You are arguing the evidence they want you to argue.
dan
Ann Richards.
What exactly is the "socialist libertarian" movement?
TJ, I have NO idea. But I understand they have their own website. Seems oxymoronic to me. I've never checked them out. Peace and love, George.
There is no documentation that Koresh ever claimed to be Jesus Christ.
Besides, none of you want to say that Koresh was insane. Under our laws, that would mean Koresh was NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS, and that there was a higher degree of responsibility that fell upon the representatives of the law as they would have been dealing with someone mentally ill. You do not deal with the mentally ill by imposing sleep deprivation upon them. You do not deal with the mentally ill by demanding they "come out," but when some of them try, you throw flash bang grenades at them. You do not deal with the mentally ill by breaking your promises to them. You do not deal with the mentally ill by charging at their building with Bradley fighting vehicles, stopping just short of hitting it.
If the mentally ill have control of innocent children, the rescue of the children, without endangering them, takes precedence over everything else, provided of course that you, as a representative of the law, are not mentally ill yourself. You certainly do not protect children and infants by firing over 400 CS ferret rounds into an enclosed space, when your training manuals, and the manuals published by the manufacturers of CS warn not to use the chemical in enclosed spaces, and NEVER on children. You do not protect children by BLINDLY driving tanks into the dwelling where they reside, unless you are a tank driver for a Waffen SS armored infantry unit driving through a Jewish section of a European city in 1940.
This thread has brought out some bigots to make rotten comments. Opinion polls indicate that most of our people understand that the Waco people were murdered.
Someday we'll educate children to know exactly what happened at Waco. At that time we will find out if the government will allow us to do that or whether fascism will really rule us.
Ok, what law did he break? Looney? Or just different from say you?
I realize minds are made up on both sides of this issue and for some time now. You can't change mine nor me yours. But just to be sure you know what you are talking about, what laws did Koresh break?
You mean with the cooperation of the FBI? Didn't the FBI take over after the BATF failed to take out Koresh in the initial raid?
No need to patronize me, you Democrat-loving blatherskite you.
Still planning to vote a straight Donkey ticket in 2002, or were you just throwing a hissy fit when you made this stupid statement?
Forgot what you have learned about Koresh, whether correctly or incorrectly, because it is irrelevant.
The Feds massacred men, women, and children.
Hope I don't offend you, but you know nobody called the Branch Davidians a cult until mid-february, 1993. At that time a couple of newspaper articles did refer to them as a cult. For 70 years those people lived in Waco and nobody called them a cult. Then all of a sudden they were a cult. And then the federal government attacked them according to all evidence. Then people justified the killings by saying that they were a cult or that Koresh was weird.
I was hoping to pass that one by without you seeing it, I'll have to be careful.
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