Posted on 11/26/2001 9:33:39 AM PST by Aerial
I love it when people like you say that only the Branch Davidians were responsible for their actions thereby absolving the misdeeds of the federal agents who set the wheels of justice into motion.
It's a commonly known fact that the ATF agents knowingly lied about several facts to obtain their warrant including the non-existent methamphetamine lab, illegal weapons manufacturing and child abuse allegations.
Exactly what responsibility did the lying ATF agents have in acknowledging their lies and calling off the action before it escalated further? The Branch Davidians didn't swear an oath to uphold the laws of land and protect the Constitution. The ATF agents did.
Why didn't the ATF agents responsible for the raid call off the FBI and come clean about their lies after the raid failed on February 28?
More importantly, why do you hold them to a lesser standard of conduct than you do the Branch Davidians?
dan
Nice try at misdirection. I said nothing of the sort. Perhaps you should polish up those reading and comprehension skills.
It's illustrative that you still turn a blind eye to the criminal misconduct of government agents in bringing action against the Davidians in the first place. Instead, you blame the Davidians for the criminal misconduct of the ATF agents whom knowingly used an the false statements made in an affadavit as the basis for their warrant.
They knew Mark Breault was blind. They knew that the allegations he leveled had been investigated by both the State of Texas and the FBI and had been dropped due to lack of evidence. They knew that there was no illegal methamphetamine lab. They knew there was no child abuse. They knew there was no illegal weapons being manufactured at Mt. Carmel.
Yet, they still used his affadavit and concealed his background from the federal Magistrate in order to obtain their search warrant. Had they not done this, the raid on February 28 would never have happened. But they lied and the raid occurred anyway.
Now with these facts in mind, I will again ask; what responsibility did they have to tell the truth about their own misconduct after they'd caused the deaths of their fellow agents on February 28th?
IOW, why didn't they uphold their oaths?
dan
Could you explain where this cardboard box was and how it survived a fire that burned human bodies to a crisp ?
Spare me the lecture on the attack on personal freedoms. People are so free in this country that they do not know what to do with themselves. I also believe that freedom is not taking everything that you can get and then wanting more. It is also about responsibility and giving back something for that freedom. What exactly did David Koresh give back to society?
IMHO, David Koresh was a self proclaimed false prophet. I can't believe that anyone would follow him for any reason. I went to a Church of Scientology meeting once and had major warning bells going off in my head saying that this was just wrong. I was outta there in a flash. I mean who would follow Koresh, and then die for him. 51 days is long enough for anyone to get the hell outta there. They could have plain and simple.
But then again, what do you expect in a world where people drink grape kool aid death cocktails following another false prophet or follow some other prophetic genius and kill themselves in order to follow some comet to meet ET.
Again, I wasn't discussing Koresh's behavior, nor was I discussing the philosophical leanings of the people whom resided at Mt. Carmel. They are free to live their lives as they see fit. Rather, I was discussing the criminal misconduct of the ATF agents that took place in the weeks and months prior to February 28 that resulted in an raid that was based upon a case fabricated out of whole cloth.
When it comes to the criminal misconduct of the federal government, you're in the majority. There aren't many people who are willing to face the truth about which crimes have been perpetrated against US citizens by their government or how the Republicans and democRats sold out the country to the Chinese. Fewer still do anything about it. Most are like you and prefer to bury their heads in the sand and concern themselves with who's on Leno this week, which worn out pop music star is retiring or whom is "rasslin'" whom on the WWF, ad nausem.
It was ever thus.
FRegards,
dan
What planet do you live on? You must be new here.
No, you're being a smart ass. You don't fool me.
You've gone to great lengths to avoid answering my questions and instead blamed the people at Mt. Carmel for the criminal misconduct of the federal government and you're doing it still.
You've rattled on about how the Davidians were responsible for their actions after February 28, yet have studiously avoided the topic of the responsibilties of the ATF agents for their actions prior to February 28.
You still haven't answered my original question, so I'll ask it again.
The ATF agents lied in order to obtain their search warrant. What obligation did they have as federal law enforcement agents to step forward and admit this fact in order to prevent further loss of life after their failed raid resulted in the deaths of 4 of their fellow agents and the deaths of 6 Branch Davidians?
dan
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