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Posted on 11/19/2001 2:03:57 PM PST by FF578

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To: DouglasKC
"That true freedom is the right of society to restrict ..."

Hmmm, that starting to sound like something I have heard before.
661 posted on 11/19/2001 8:48:36 PM PST by gjenkins
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To: Howlin
it's making my head hurt

take two aspirins and call me in the morning.

662 posted on 11/19/2001 8:49:14 PM PST by mlocher
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To: jlogajan
It almost sounds like "pure Libertarians" would want murder legalized too. Do they?
663 posted on 11/19/2001 8:53:33 PM PST by Z-28
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
amazing how many people would be surprised by the number of wealthy, successful, conservative lawyers,...etc,...were leftists junkies in school...

when you are sucking on the public tit you think one way, but when you are being usurped into supplying the milk for others you think another way...

664 posted on 11/19/2001 8:53:36 PM PST by mlocher
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To: nicknack
LOL
665 posted on 11/19/2001 8:55:22 PM PST by Verax
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To: Verax
I don't know what to say...I could never betray the protection of innocent human life for political gamesmanship...I have a 2 year old son, and I would feel as though I were betraying him and defiling the miracle of his birth.

Say, I'd advise you to go to visit the young black, brown, and white girls who are pregnant - and let them know you will adopt their babies (if they don't get an abortion) - or that you will support them and guide them, so that their children will become productive adults, just as you do with your own precious son.

Then I'll listen to your values that you wish for everyone else to follow. How many person lives have you touched of young pregnant girls? Please tell me you will visit the pregnancy clinics as soon as possible.

666 posted on 11/19/2001 8:55:59 PM PST by Gracey
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To: Quix
HUGE BUMP!!!!!
667 posted on 11/19/2001 8:56:51 PM PST by Verax
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To: Z-28
It almost sounds like "pure Libertarians" would want murder legalized too. Do they?

What??????? Libertarianism is based foremost on the non-initation of aggression tenet.

668 posted on 11/19/2001 8:57:30 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: PJ-Comix
ever hear of the whiskey rebellion

alcohol has the capability to kill bacteria that lives in water and causes diarhea in humans. it was practical to have water and alcoholic beverage as a matter of everyday living for sanitary reasons, especially as more people moved here.

669 posted on 11/19/2001 8:57:54 PM PST by mlocher
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To: Rightwing Conspirator1
Reread the post, KC said that JR was 'infecting' the forum.

Nice spin.

That is not spin. That's what KC said.

And now you are baiting KC.

Nice spin.

BTW How many posters have you bagged this month?

You mean how many libertarian hating phony conservatives have I chastized for their despicable conduct here at FR? This month, -maybe just a dozen or so. [its been slow]

670 posted on 11/19/2001 9:01:12 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Gracey
then i will listen to your values

these are not verax's values -- these are god's laws that have become verax's values. i think that you will find that christians as a whole have more compassion for the downtrodden and spend more of the time and money helping them than other segments of society.

did you know that your posting was '666'. coincidence???

671 posted on 11/19/2001 9:01:41 PM PST by mlocher
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To: FF578
I noticed that too, anytime you post something that someone disagrees with, you get shouted down and compared to the taliban.

If I say I support the Drug War, and Anti-Homosexual Laws, and Anti-Abortion Laws, then I will get a hundred posts from Libertarians calling me a Taliban and telling me to get the burquas (sp).

I don`t think that your first statement is completely fair. You don`t get compared to the Taliban anytime you post something people disagree with, you get compared to the Taliban when you start talking about legislating according to your own religious convictions. Homosexuality is an obvious example. If two people of the same sex engage in consentual sexual activity behind closed doors, it is no-ones business but their own. If it is abhorrent to God, let them answer for it on their day of judgement. After all, how can what people do behind closed doors affect your personal relationship with God?

Look at it like this. If Jehovah`s Witnesses were in charge of the Government and started legislating against Christmas, Birthdays and blood transfusions, what would you do? You would probably scream bloody murder, as would I. The same principle applies when I see Christians who want to legislate how I live my by their standards.

This topic comes up frequently on FreeRepublic. Why is it so hard for you to understand?

672 posted on 11/19/2001 9:04:21 PM PST by Slapper
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To: Quix
as v frankel said...

thanks. once again i learn that i did not have an original thought. but it always sounds more authoritarian when you quote someone. [smile]

673 posted on 11/19/2001 9:05:23 PM PST by mlocher
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To: Gracey
I hope your not suggesting that it's better to murder children who would be raised in one-parent families, or in poverty, or under ANY OTHER DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCE!

I happen to be a child who was adopted from a negleted home along with my sister when I was nine years old...I know all about it.

By the way, what would be your suggestion for putting a stop to life's other myseries? Say, spousal abuse or illiteracy, or disease etc.

And yes...I understand that it's important to do more than just talk.

674 posted on 11/19/2001 9:06:34 PM PST by Verax
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To: Z-28
It almost sounds like "pure Libertarians" would want murder legalized too. Do they?

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Sure thing. -- Our plan is, we start with the lawyers, then ----

675 posted on 11/19/2001 9:07:59 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Slapper
after all, how can what two people do behind closed doors affect your relationship with god

my relationship with god is independent of what others are doing.

society has laws to protect us from each other. god's laws do the same thing, but with only about 50% proclaiming faith and half of those claiming an active faith, most of us are not following god's laws regarding how to live life.

with respect to homosexuality, it is against god's laws, so it is wrong. if all they did was what they did behind closed doors, it is none of my business as you have said. however, homosexuals want to come out of the closet, have parades proclaiming their life style and inflicting their ways in society. their lifestyle is against god's lifestyle, that being the family as the nuclear unit. it affects society and as such is my business.

676 posted on 11/19/2001 9:11:25 PM PST by mlocher
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To: Slapper
Look at it like this. If Jehovah`s Witnesses were in charge of the Government and started legislating against Christmas, Birthdays and blood transfusions, what would you do? You would probably scream bloody murder, as would I. The same principle applies when I see Christians who want to legislate how I live my by their standards.

This topic comes up frequently on FreeRepublic. Why is it so hard for you to understand?

ACTUALLY sometimes I think more of me is Libertarian than not. . . . however. . .

It seems to me your argument ASSUMES that there is NO Ultimate Authority; NO perfect law; NO Ultimate standard of morality, no Ultimate Accountability.

Or, you might say--Oh, there is, but I disagree on where to draw the line.

Certainly where to draw the line can be a sticky wicket. But there is some interesting evidence that touches on all this. . . . Crime varies inversely with church attendance--statistics back for 200 years, if I recall accurately, attest to this in every study done on it. Do we legislate church attendance? I don't think that would work, for one. I don't think it would help. I think God looks on the heart as tooooo big a priority.

If you were aware that homosexuality above a miniscule proportion of a population resulted in lack of rain; drought for extended years--would you consider that a harm to others?

If you studied the lives of homosexuals with more or less endless short time stands; high suicide; high depression etc. . . and concluded that homosexuality was not the big thrill some media and other lobbyists made it out to be--and that seduction/recruitment was much higher of minors than heterosexual such was--would you consider it then a harm to others?

If you considered that easy divorce; abortion; welfare excesses; alcoholism etc. undermined the family unit and thereby society resulting in higher crime, higher disease rates, higher violence, higher disregard for human life; higher disregard for commitments, responsibility and higher aversion to doing the right thing in relationships and society--would you consider that a harm to others?

677 posted on 11/19/2001 9:17:29 PM PST by Quix
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To: OWK
except for perhaps joe biden

plagerize, why do you think the lord made your eyes?
you don't have to shade your eyes!
just plagerize, plagerize plagerize...
....
but remember to call it 'research'!




ok, ok, ok.... tom lehrer.

678 posted on 11/19/2001 9:20:27 PM PST by mlocher
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To: tpaine
You mean how many libertarian hating phony conservatives have I chastized for their despicable conduct here at FR? This month, -maybe just a dozen or so. [its been slow]

Gee I haven't hugged a libertarian today, and I probably won't hug one tomorrow, either. Which is all to the better for them as I'd smother them with my conservatism.

679 posted on 11/19/2001 9:23:20 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: beowolf
I hate these damned mega-threads, beo. Do you think that very many people consider that they're being played like cheap violins? Divide, distract, discredit, deny. Radicals do it well....what better way to kookify Free Republic than to guest star as a kook? Ditto Christians, Libertarians, Brigs, and so on. Post wacky stuff that incites anger and resentment, encourage infighting, and voila. Instant distraction, and the rads win the round. One theory is as good as the next, eh?
680 posted on 11/19/2001 9:23:25 PM PST by unsycophant
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