Posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:15 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
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No, my argument still stands. I don't have to prove anything. You are the one who is offering this text by "Nathan the Atheist" (assuming you can prove he really existed) as evidence. Therefore the burden of proof is entirely on you to prove this text is legitimate. Give a source for the archives of this alleged "Jewish Newsletter." (Gee, what a unique name! I'm sure you should have no trouble tracking it down!) Where was it published, when and by whom? What volume and issue number did this article by Nate the Atheist appear? Then, once you do succeed in tracking down the original source (I'm not holding my breath) it'll turn out to be some Communist propaganda sheet. Your credibility rating with me is pretty low, put up or shut up.
Interesting, isn't it?
Which leads to the logical conclusion, that it is the neighbors who are the problem, not the Jews.
Did you read the article? Or rather the expose of your lies. Interesting that you'd keep your understanding to the NY Times CIRCA 1948. LOL!
The pan Arab Islamic apologists like to pick and choose their "massacres" and then when examined more closely one sees the insidious Arab involvement in precipitating the escalation and killing. Since Deir Yassin was mentioned maybe we ought to mention the Mt. Scopus Massacre of Jews in April of 1948 even before Israel became a nation-state (Martin Gilbert, Jerusalem in the Twentieth Century, p. 203ff.):
On April 14 a convoy made up of ten vehicles - two ambulances, three armoured buses, three trucks with food and hospital supplies, and two small escort cars - set off at 9:30 in the morning for Mount Scopus, after receiving an assurance from the British officer in charge that the road was clear. The vehicles containing doctors, nurses, patients (including an Irgun man injured in the attack on Deir Yassin), and Hebrew University staff, were clearly marked with the insignia of the Magen David Adom - the Red Shield Society - the Jewish equivalent of the Red Cross.Shortly after passing through the suburb of Sheikh Jarrah while moving up the hill to the corner known as Karm al-Mufti, the convoy struck a mine. It had been placed there by an Arab tailor, Mohammed Neggar. The lead escort vehicle, whose occupants were armed, negotiated the crater and tried to act as cover for the rest. The ambulance immediately behind it and two of the buses were damaged and could no longer move. The six vehicles in the rear, including one whose driver had been shot in the face by an Arab gunman, were able to turn around and return safely to the city.
The escort vehicle, the immobilised ambulance and the two buses were then hit by a barrage of rifle and grenade fire from Karm al-Mufti, and by Molotov cocktails. Firing continued throughout the morning. Except for those in the escort vehicle, no one in the convoy was armed; that had been a British condition for allowing the doctors and nurses to proceed....The British military post responsible for the safety of the road was less than 200 yeards away...Colonel Jack Churchill...a half-track with a machine-gunner to accompany him..drove his own armoured car to investigate. As he reached the scene, armed Arabs were arriving from every direction, shooting at the convoy....By three o'clock that afternoon the two buses were on fire. Most of the passengers who had not yet been killed were being burned alive. At a quarter past three Dr Yassky turned to his wife with the words, 'Shalom my dear, it's the end.' At that very moment a bullet passed through the slit in the front armour of the ambulance, and Yassky was killed. Fifteen minutes later, at 3:30, following further requests from Colonol Churchill, troops of the Highland Light Infantry, commanded by Brigadier C.P. Jones, launched an attack on the Arabs surrounding the convoy. Within an hour the Arabs were driven off. Twenty-eight Jews, twenty of whom were wounded, were rescued. Seventy-seven Jews had been killed....The dead in the Hadassah convoy included several leading members of the Faculty of Medecine, among them Dr. L. Doljansky, head of the Cancer Research Department.. He took no part in any social or political activities except for expressing his conviction of the importance of Arab-Jewish friendship......Several people going up to the hospital for surgery were also killed.....
After the Hadassah convoy attack, the Arab Higher Committee issued a statement. The attack had been commanded, it said, by an Iraqi officer. His had been a 'heroic exploit.'.....'Had it not been for Army interference,' the Arab Higher Committee pointed out in anger, 'not a single Jewish passenger would have remained alive.'
The nexus of the problem is that you blamed "zionist" terrorism for everything. And I proved to you that was a lie since historically the Irgun and Stern were formed years after ARAB terrorism had taken its toll on Jews. Follow your own arguments.
To the degree their views mirror those of Palestinians actually in the territories, Arab Israelis would be expected to be MORE, rather than less, OPPOSED to the peace process than Israeli jews, and by a large margin. (But I would be interested in what the actual case is if the data are available.)
One force starts the cycle, other forces either accelerate it, or slow it down. An object in motion tends to stay in motion. Would you expect the Jews to just take the hits and not respond? Do you think that would prevent the cycle and prevent further acts of aggression?
Why were those 60 Jews murdered in Hebron on one day in 1929? There was no occupation. There was not even an Israel. There was no partition plan. There was no UN resolution. There was not even that many Jews in all of Palestine.
Are you aware that the mob that murdered these 60 Jews offered them a deal? They said they would spare the lives of the Sephardic Jews if the Sephardic Jews would turn over the Ashkenasi Jews to the mob. The Sephardic Jews refused such a macabre, racist offer to send their Ashekenasi brothers to their death, and for doing so they were murdered along with the others. How do you expect people to respond to such vile, hateful actions and such a cyncial, macabre offer? This action, among others, encouraged the creation of a cycle of violence. The cycle is born of hatred, racism, cynicism and sick thoughts and actions. The Jews chose not to take it lying down, and rightfully so.
Well, there's the problem. You're not a radical ADL seminar poster, like SA, that will toe the good old "Israel is right, no matter what, 'cause I got relatives over there" line. Why they even bother to call themselves "Americans" is beyond me.
What two sides would that be? Oh, oh, I remember. It was the Arabs and the British.
Figures. You take a 1948 NY Times or even some Arab Islamic take but you can't dispute the nature of what happened and why it happened and the substantive claims form the article. Only a whining "consider the sources doubtful". Maybe you should also discount the posted article which initiated this thread since that's from Jews as well.
You will go by Highway 1, the Tel Aviv- Jerusalem highway. It is the way to enter Jerusalem from the sea.
When you are about 4-5 miles from Jerusalem- look up. Don't do this if you are the driver or you will get into an accident on the winding road. You will look up not at an angle of 30 or 60 degrees. You will need to look almost straight up. As you are straining your neck, you will see the very top of the "hill". There was Dir Yassin- commanding the entire entrance to besieged Jerusalem.
The Arabs would insult your intelligence by telling you that during a war this very vital strategic location was a peaceful village with villagers going about minding their own business until the "evil" zionists showed up.
Visit Jerusalem. Look up. Let your own eyes prove their lies.
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