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The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict
www.cactus48.com ^ | 2000 | Jews for Justice

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:15 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan

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To: Alouette
Yeah, Arabs just love to cause trouble. There is plenty of room in Jordan for these so called "Palistinians" to have their so called"State". They just need to go BACK to Jordan, from whence they came!!
221 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:50 PM PST by timestax
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To: Alouette
Yeah, Arabs just love to cause trouble. There is plenty of room in Jordan for these so called "Palistinians" to have their so called"State". They just need to go BACK to Jordan, from whence they came!!

Anybody who wants to kill Jews should remember Haman in Book of Esther!!

223 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:51 PM PST by timestax
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To: Alouette
Yeah, Arabs just love to cause trouble. There is plenty of room in Jordan for these so called "Palistinians" to have their so called"State". They just need to go BACK to Jordan, from whence they came!!

Anybody who wants to kill Jews should remember Haman in Book of Esther!!

224 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:51 PM PST by timestax
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To: equus
The whole Zionist concept was wrong and unjust to the people who had lived there in peace for centuries. The plan from the very beginning was to use force if necessary to establish a Jewish homeland. Reread the article that began this thread.

Oh you mean UNJUST to the Jews and Christians who were colonized out by the JIHAD:

 

Arabization and Ethnic Cleansing (the fairy tale of "indigenous Palestinians" exposed (my title))

"At the beginning of the conquest....the conquered populations of the Orient were still using their national languages: Aramaic (Iraq, Mesopotamia, Syria, Palestine), Coptic (Egypt), and Pahlavi (Persia), and the foundations of Arab power were still weak. Consequently, notwithstanding their repugnance, the caliphs and their governors had to resort to the services of local Christian or Jewish administrators, a situation which risked jeopardizing the performance of their power. It therefore became imperative to consolidate Islamic politico-military domination by a demographic increase in Arab numbers and by Muslim legislation to stabilize the situation....These two phases, which roughly corresponded to the period of Arabization under the Umayyads [661-750 A.D.] and of Islamization under the Abbasids [750-1517 A.D.] , definitely ensured the Arab-Muslim hold on the conquered lands and population.

In fact, the postconquest period was a time of intensive Arab colonization dictated by strategic requirements. For whereas pursuit of the ongoing jihad procured considerable booty and cemented Islamic solidarity, these battles in far-off lands weakened the Arab military presence in the conquered countries. To mitigate this danger, Umar, and particularly Uthman, adopted a policy of Arab colonization pursued by their successors.

The continuous migration of whole tribes with their flocks---tribes originating from different regions of Arabia and often hostile to one another---not only created problems of settlement in towns and country areas that were among the most fertile and most highly populated, it also gave rise to difficulties regarding subsidies and cohabitation with the native population, the nomads being adverse to agricultural and urban occupations.

The flow of migration, duly controlled by the Arab military administration, was directed toward specific regions. Certain tribes joined up with military population centers: Basra and Kufa in Iraq, Fustat in Egpt for example: others received the vast domains farmed by the native inhabitants reduced to slavery or bond service (Iraq, Egypt, Spain, the Maghreb). In Palestine and Syria, tribes from Yemen and nomads from Hijaz settled in the towns and countryside where they took over houses and lands...

This Arabization had disastrous effects on the native populations, as the confiscation of lands by the invaders and the appropriation of houses and villages did not take place without plundering and abuse. This emigration had four major consequences. First, the total area of the conquered lands was seized by a tribe originating from Mecca, who exercised their military authority through nomadic Arab tribes. Second, the massive Arab emigration engendered endemic anarchy in  countries where hitherto, in comparison with the native population, they had only constituted tiny minorities on the desert fringes.....Moreover, during this period of Arabization in the Near East, the caliph Abd al-Malik (685-705) forbade the use of native languages in the administration, replacing them with Arabic. Thus emigration into countries of settled civilization by nomads, who were strengthened in their bellicose habits by the ideology of jihad and by their victories, increased the instability, while plundering turned cultivated areas into deserts." (Bat Ye'or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam (1996)pp.58-60).


 

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Of course there was a mish-mash of people there in the 19th century. Many Islamics were moved there by the Ottoman Empire with the break up of that empire. In fact, you don't really know how long these people were there. By the middle of the 19th century 160,000 Arab Islamics and other Islamics, 40,000 Christian Arabs and other Christians and several thousand Jews. It seems though that you don't mind the notion of colonization since that's exactly what the Arabs did in their Jihad in Palestine to the native Jewish and Christian population.

225 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:51 PM PST by Lent
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To: equus
It was madness to think a bunch of Europeans could take over the region of Palestine to build there a modern European state and not create a violent Arab reaction. Use common sense. The concept was flawed from the outset. It was hyper-aggressive. And don't give me they bought the land. They only managed to by one sixth of the land by 1948--and even that little greatly alarmed the inhabitants.

Maybe you should leave the U.S. That was bloody "hyper-aggressive" for Europeans to settle here. Use common sense yourself. The difference between the Jews and the Arabs and what happened in North America by the way is that the Arabs are the ones who colonized by conquering ancient Jewish and Christian communities. Time for the dhimmis Jews to take back what belongs to them. That's rational. Don't forget the 800,000 Jews cleansed from Arab Islamic lands too. They were also taking back what had been stripped from their forebearers.

227 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:52 PM PST by Lent
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To: Sabramerican
The Arabs would insult your intelligence by telling you that during a war this very vital strategic location was a peaceful village with villagers going about minding their own business until the "evil" zionists showed up.

Visit Jerusalem. Look up. Let your own eyes prove their lies.

I believe you since you've been there many times. And this is exactly right. It was a strategic location for Arab irregulars who were sniping at Jewish food and supply convoys. It was the reason the Arabs almost completely destroyed the Jewish truck fleet and were trying to starve out the Jews in Jerusalem BEFORE Israel was even declared a nation-state.

228 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:53 PM PST by Lent
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To: John_11_25
It doesn't seem all that clear to me, what was Nassar doing grouping troops there? And which war was this against Israel, the first? noo. The second, third? Gimme a break, I would be paranoid too, maybe they jumped the gun, then again, maybe they didn't.
229 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:55 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Anamensis
I've lost count how many times I have asked this question without even one response: how did the Jews steal the land if there were people already there and those people were in the majority?

I'd like to know that too. I noticed that even in their pro-Pal propaganda, Patria One and the like post paragraphs that indicate that the Jews BOUGHT the land... they try to make it sound ominous and insidious, but the fact is, if they bought the land, then... well... they BOUGHT the LAND! Someone was obviously selling the land, and they bought it. That's LEGAL!

Remember, the Arab states have never accepted any of the partitions, including the 47 UN partition they want reinstated. They walked out on the vote and went to war.

And the 6% figure of purchased land constantly thrown around here is a gross distortion. If you reference the British Survey of Palestine, 1946 (easy to find in a search), of 26,320,000 dunums of land Jewish landowners accounted for 8.6% (2263 dunums). Most Palestinian sites (they’ll come up in the same search) credit Jews with 6.6% (rounded down by most posters) or 1,734 dunums. Take their figure, why argue about 529 dunums, or split the difference. Per the Survey, 70%, or about 18,424 dunums was state land, mostly in the Negev desert. Turkey lost WWI, it went to Britain. Lose a war, that happens. Israel became a state, Britain ceded it to Israel. Most of the rest belonged to an assortment of Arab and non-Arab landowners, mostly absentee. Over half of it was abandoned in the 48 war, another war the Arabs started and lost.

230 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:56 PM PST by SJackson
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To: equus
by what right had Israel to confiscate their homes and fields and deny them the right to return shortly thereafter?

First of all you presume that these people actually owned homes and fields. The large percentage of them were renters and squatters and workers on other people's fields. This was clearly documented by the British, who in the mid 1930's offered plots of land to anyone who could show that they were displaced by Jewish immigration. Of the thousands who applied, 80% were deemed frauds. Of the remaining, only a small handful actually continued to process to obtain these new plots.

Second, the right to refuse re-entry was granted by the UN resolution, which I clearly identified for you in my post #88. Israel was under no obligation, per International Law, to allow those hostile to Israeli interests to return. But over the intervening years some 20% of the refugees were permitted to come back into Israel where they now reside, as I stated earlier.

231 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:56 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Sabramerican; Lent; equus
Don't forget what really happened there. While the Jewish army did act very aggressively, the facts explain why.

Deir Yassin was a strategic point, because the Arab forces were shelling the Jewish convoys heading from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem from the hills. The Jewish army needed to take Deir Yassin to stop the shelling and ensure the security of their supply lines.

When the Jewish army entered the village, the residents surrenered. But it was a phoney surrender. The Jewish army, thinking the enemy had surrendered, let their guard down. They were then ambushed by town residents, many of whom were men dressed in women's traditional loose clothing to hide their weapons! Many Jewish soldiers were killed or wounded in the ambush. In the firefight, many Arabs were killed. So there is no doubt that some of the Jewish army were extremely angry at having been tricked and ambushed by a phoney surrender. It does not excuse any deliberate killing of innocent people, but it sure goes a long way to explain why so many people died at Deir Yassin. This is the part of the story that the Arab Propeganists refuse to acknowlege.

While the Jewish army proclaimed 250 dead, and the NY times said apx 200 dead, Arab sources said only 100 dead. The revised number of dead at Deir Yassin, as per Arab research, is 107 dead. Sad yes, but considering the phoney surrender and ambush, not very suprising.

232 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:58 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
Agreed. As they say, "war is hell", but as noted above the Arab Islamics BEGAN the aggression led by the NAZI himself the Grand Mufti.
233 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:58 PM PST by Lent
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To: equus
It was madness to think a bunch of Europeans could take over the region of Palestine to build there a modern European state and not create a violent Arab reaction. Use common sense.

Perhaps you should use some common sense. Contrary to your implication, the Europeans did not "take" the region. By 1947, after 75 years of slow and restricted immigration (restricted by the British, who did not restrict Arab immigration), the region that ultimately became Israel remained at apx 50-50 split between Arab and Jew.

The total number of Palestinians on all of the land was higher, but on the Jewish partition, it was apx equal. The Jews took it upon themselves to accept the British partition, while the Arabs, despite years of advance notice and opportunity to organize, failed to do so.

Take a look at what happened in Lebanon. It was impossible for the Muslims to accept a power sharing agreement with the Christians, and as a result started a 10 year civil war seeking to exterminate the Christians from the land. The fact is, there is no such thing as co-existence within Muslim society. You are either a dhimmi or a dead man in their eyes. The years prior to Israeli independence were littered with anti-Jewish violence. Hebron Massacre, Jerusalem riots, Haifi Riots, etc... So there was no choice but to partition the land among the two equal powers. And there was ample precedent. The Poles were moved. The Pakistanis and Indians had population transfers. It could have been done very peacefully, but instead the Muslim Arabs, true to form, caused death and destruction to non-Muslims.

For the last 50+ years, the Palestinians have been struggling with the same problem they faced in 1947. All they had to do was organize themselves, take control of the land and build a nation. And here we are, 50+ years later, and they still fail to negotiate to take control of the land that they could have had easily and nonviolently in 1947. It's telling that the Jews, within only a few years, were able to organize and take control of the municipal organization left by the British. And yet, here we are some 50+ years later, and the Palestinian Arabs have yet to come up with a plan to build their nation to be a peaceful neighbor to both Jews and Arabs. Instead, they have used violence against Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Israel, and have practically nothing to show for it. Pitiful and pathetic. In this world you get back what you give out. The Palestinians have given out nothing but violence towards their neighbors, and that is why they have received nothing but violence and indifference in return.

234 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:08 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Lent
the Arab Islamics BEGAN the aggression led by the NAZI himself the Grand Mufti.

MUFTI HAJ AL-HUSSEINI (UNCLE OF ARAFAT) COLLABORATES WITH THE NAZIS TO MURDER JEWS

235 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:09 PM PST by Alouette
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To: Lent
Yes. The Mufti and others were nazi scum. Arafat and the late Faisal Husseini are related to that nazi piece of trash. These "religious" leaders of yore are the same as today. From the Hebron Massacre of 1929, to the Jerusalem riots of the 1930's, to the Muslim brigades that fought alongside Adolf Hilter's Nazis, to this most recent "intifada", you can trace these heinous greivous atrocities to the calls of the imams in Jerusalem.
236 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:09 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
While the Jewish army did act very aggressively...

Thats what armies are trained to do, at least the winners. I mean no disrespect to you, and am not directing my comments to you. I enjoy your posts. There might be some value in discussing these things in a historic context, ie Deir Yassin vs. the Hebron massacre. Civilians killed at Deir Yassin are a tragedy, whether 100 or 250. Civilian deathe on either side, and there were many, is a cause for sadness. But only the Israeli side seems to recognize that. But bringing up Deir Yassin in the context of the ongoing deliberate slaughter of Israeli citizens by the Palestinians, and the murder of American citizens by the supportors of Islam, well its revolting.

If the PA supporters want to discuss atrocities Arab populations have been subjected to, why only a few hundred at a time? As Emeril says, kick it up a notch. Hama, Syria. The town surrounded and shelled. 20,000 to 25,000 civilian deaths. And it wasn't the Mossad dressed up as Syrians. Though in the next ten posts someone will have a link that says it was.

237 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:14 PM PST by SJackson
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To: ExiledInTaiwan; Yehuda
Chaim Herzog. Read him first, The History of the Arab Israeli Conflict. This link provided here on this thread is so bogus, I can't even barf!
239 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:14 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: equus
What part of the footnotes to the Deir Yassin rebuttal do you dispute below? By the way, the number you noted was an exageration. Big time and selective use of NY TIMES circa 1947 by you. Not impressive.

Footnotes

  1 For example, Benny Morris, dean of Israel's leftwing "new historians," has written that Milstein's
  study "will most likely turn out to be the definitive military history of the 1948 war...No one is
  likely to surpass the sheer breadth, depth, and scope of this work...Israeli military history has now
  been pulled up to a new, higher and refreshing plane." (Morris, "'Pre-History' vs. 'History',
  Jerusalem Post, 9 May 1989, p.40).
  2 Sharif Kanani and Nihad Zitawi, Deir Yassin, Monograph No.4, Destroyed Palestinian Villages
  Documentation Project (Bir Zeit: Documentation Center of Bir Zeit University, 1987), p.6.
  3 Uri Milstein, The War of Independence: Out of Crisis Came Decision - Volume IV [Hebrew]
  (Tel Aviv: Zmora-Bitan Publishers, 1991), p. 256.
  4 Milstein, p.253 (interview with Yehoshua Arieli, 11 December 1987).
  5 Milstein, pp.277-278.
  6 Milstein, p.255 (interview with Moshe Barzili, 9 May 1982).
  7 Israel Ministry of Defense, David Shaltiel: Jerusalem 1948 (Tel Aviv: Israel Ministry of Defense,
  1981), p. 139.
  8 Milstein, p.260 (interview with Shimon Monita).
  9 Milstein, p.260 (interview with Moshe Idelstein).
  10 Testimony of Patchiah Zalivensky, Metzudat Ze'ev [Jabotinsky Archives, Tel Aviv] (hereafter
  cited as MZ); Milstein, p.260 (interview with Yehoshua Zettler).
  11 Milstein, p.260 (interview with Moshe Barzili).
  12 Milstein, p.260 (interview with Yehoshua Zettler).
  13 Milstein, p.260, quoting "Report by 'Elazar' [Gihon's Haganah code name]," 10 April 1948.
  14 Milstein, p.260 (interview with Mordechai Gihon).
  15 Milstein, p.260, quoting "Report of the Haganah's [Anti-Dissident] Unit on the Deir Yassin
  Action."
  16 Testimony of Mordechai Ra'anan, MZ; Testimony of Yehuda Lapidot, MZ; Testimony of
  Yehoshua Gorodenchik, MZ; Milstein, p.262 (interviews with Mordechai Ra'anan and Yehuda
  Lapidot).
  17 Milstein, pp.255-256; Bernard Wasserstein, The British in Palestine: The Mandatory
  Government and the Arab-Jewish Conflict 1917-1929 (London: Royal Historical Society, 1978),
  p.69.
  18 Yitshaq Ben-Ami, Years of Wrath, Days of Glory (New York: Shengold, 1983), p.439.
  19 Milstein, p.257 (interview with Mordechai Gihon). Milstein found the report in the Israel
  Defense Forces Archives, War of Independence Collection 83/17, Reports of "Teneh," 9 April
  1948.
  20 Milstein interview with Haganah agent Yona Ben-Sasson, 12 November 1980; also, Milstein,
  citing the Ben-Nur Report in the David Shaltiel Archives.
  21 "Shots in Jerusalem,"Davar, 4 April 1948, p.2.
  22 Milstein, p. 257, citing the Israel Defense Forces Archives, War of Independence Collection
  88/17, "From Hashmonai," 4 April 1948, 10:00 A.M.
  23 Milstein, p. 257, citing the Israel Defense Forces Archives, War of Independence Collection
  88/17, "From Sa'ar," 4 April 1948, 10:00 A.M.
  24 Testimony of David Gottlieb, MZ; Milstein, pp.257-258, citing the Israel Defense Forces
  Archives, War of Independence Collection 21/17, "From Hashmonai," 4 April 1948.
  25 Milstein, p. 258, citing "Operations Log - Arza," 4 April 1948, 17:00 hours, Broadcast #562,
  Israel Defense Forces Archive, War of Independence Collection, 88/17.
  26 Milstein, p.258 (interview with Mordechai Gihon).
  27 Milstein, p.258, citing Israel Defense Forces Archive, War of Independence Collection, 228/3,
  Operation Log, 9 April 1948, 2:40 a.m.
  28 Testimony of Benzion Cohen, MZ; Testimony of Yehuda Lapidot, MZ.
  29 Ilan Kafir, "Three Accounts of Deir Yassin" (Hebrew), Yediot Ahronot, 4 April 1972, p.3.
  30 Ron Miberg, "They Showed Us the Photographs!" (Hebrew), Monitin, April 1981, p.37.
  31 Milstein interview with Harif, p.262.
  32 Milstein, p.263 (interview with Zalivensky).
  33 Yachin's testimony is quoted at length in Lynne Reid Banks, A Torn Country: An Oral History
  of the Israeli War of Independence (New York: Franklin Watts, 1982), pp. 58-65.
  34 Milstein, p.265 (interviews with Yehuda Lapidot and Yehoshua Gorodenchik).
  35 Milstein, p.265, citing Israel Defense Forces Archive, Yitzhak Levy collection, "Report of
  Yaakov Weg."
  36 Testimony of Reuven Greenberg.
  37 Testimony of Yehoshua Gorodenchik, MZ.
  38 Banks, op.cit., p.62.
  39 Testimony of Yehoshua Gorodenchik, MZ.
  40 Milstein, pp.264-265, interviews with Ezra Yachin, Mordechai Ra'anan, Benzion Cohen and
  Yehuda Lapidot; Testimonies of Mordechai Ra'anan, Benzion Cohen, and Yehuda Lapidot.
  41 Milstein, p.263, interview with Uri Brenner; Daniel Spicehandler's testimony, quoted in Ralph
  G. Martin, Golda: Golda Meir - The Romantic Years (New York: Charles Scribner's Sons,
  1988), p.329.
  42 Testimony of Yehoshua Gorodenchik, MZ. Benny Morris, a harsh critic of the IZL and Lehi,
  has characterized Gorodenchik's testimony as "confused." (Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian
  Refugee Problem (New York and London: Cambridge University Press, 1987), p.323, n.175.
  43 Milstein, p.264, (interview with Mordechai Gihon and "Report of Etzioni intelligence officer").
  44 Milstein, p.266.
  45 Testimony of Mordechai (Kaufman) Ra'anan, 30 June 1952, Procotol of the Board
  of Appeals in Appeal 89-90-92-96/51, p.7, File kaf-10/9, MZ. 46 Milstein, p. 266 (interviews
  with Moshe Eren, Kalman Rosenblatt, and David Gottlieb).
  47 Natan Yellin-Mor, Fighters for the Freedom of Israel [Hebrew] (Jerusalem: Shikmona
  Publishers, 1974), p.472; Milstein, p.267 (interviews with Moshe Barzili and Shimon Monita, and
  Testimony of Yaffa Bedian).
  48 Milstein, p.255 (interviews with Meir Pa'il; interviews with Yitzhak Levy; interview with David
  Cohen, 18 July 1987; interview with David Shaltiel; interview with Yehoshua Arieli; Testimony of
  Meir Pa'il, 10 May 1971).
  49 Milstein, p.259 (Testimony of Meir Pa'il; interviews with Moshe Idelstein).
  50 Miberg, op.cit., p.36.
  51 Pa'il quoted in Yerach Tal, "There Was No Massacre There" [Hebrew], Ha'aretz, 8
  September 1991, pp.2-3.
  52 Milstein, p.274 (interviews with Yehoshua Zettler, Mordechai Ra'anan, Moshe Barzili, Yehuda
  Lapidot, Patchia Zalivensky, Moshe Idelstein, Moshe Eren, Shlomo Havilov, Yehoshua Arieli);
  Testimonies of David Shaltiel, Zalman Meret, Zion Eldad, and Yeshurun Schiff, MZ.
  53 Tal, op.cit.
  54 Miberg, p.39.
  55 Ha'aretz, 8 September 1991; Miberg, op.cit.
  56 Milstein, p.275.
  57 Pa'il, quoted in Kafir, op.cit.
  58 Milstein, p.275 (interview with Yona Ben-Sasson).
  59 The relevant sections of Reynier's report are translated in Walid
  Khalidi, ed. From Haven to Conquest: Readings in Zionism and the Palestine Problem Until 1948
  (Washington: Institute for Palestine Studies, 1987), pp.761-766.
  60 Reynier, 762, 763.
  61 Ibid., p.762.
  62 Ibid., pp.763, 764.
  63 Milstein, p.269.
  64 Milstein,p.269 (interview with Moshe Barzili).
  65 Ibid., 764-765.
  66 Milstein, pp.269-270 (interview with Alfred Engel, 7 December 1987).
  67 Milstein, p.260.
  68 Eric Silver, Begin: The Haunted Prophet (New York: Random House, 1984), p.93.
  69 Ibid., p.95.
  70 Uri Avnery, Israel Without Zionists: A Plea for Peace in the Middle East (New York: The
  Macmillan Company, 1968), p.196. Avnery also got the date of the battle wrong, as well as the
  time of day it took place. He stated that the IZL and Lehi captured Deir Yassin in a "night battle";
  the battle actually began at dawn and continued until mid-day. He asserted that the "massacre"
  took place on April 10, when in fact the Arabs who died were killed --however they were killed--
  on April 9.
  71 Yellin-Mor, op.cit.
  72 "Agency Berates Massacre," Palestine Post, 12 April 1948, p.1.
  73 Israel Ministry of Defense, David Shaltiel, Jerusalem 1948 (Tel Aviv: Israel Ministry of
  Defense, 1981), p.139. In what may be another instance of post-battle recriminations, but this
  time coming from the IZL-Lehi side, Lehi member Reuven Greenberg later claimed that after the
  battle, a Palmach member killed an Arab civilian with a small explosive charge. (Testimony of
  Reuven Greenberg, MZ.) Lehi veteran Baruch Nadel described a similar incident in Kati Marton's
  A Death in Jerusalem (New York: Pantheon, 1994, p.29), although Marton translated Nadel's
  reference to the perpetrator as "an Israeli" (rather than "a Palmach member") which seems
  inaccurate, since the State of Israel did not yet exist at the time of the incident. Yisrael Segal,
  correspondent for the leftwing Israeli magazine Koteret Raishit, examined Greenberg's testimony
  and concluded that it "is almost certainly drawn mainly from the imagination." Segal notes that
  Greenberg's account of the killing of the Arab "has no corroboration from other testimonies."
  Questioning Greenberg's credibility as a witness, Segal characterizes him as "a man with a
  checkered past who was involved in many political and criminal capers in the first years of the
  state...Greenberg knew how to tell tales." (Segal, "The Deir Yassin File" [Hebrew], Koteret
  Raishit, 19 January 1983, p.8.)
  74 Decision of the Board of Appeals in Appeal 89/51 (Aryeh Halperin v. Benefits Officer), File:
  kaf 4-10/2, MZ.
  75 Milstein, pp.269-270 (interview with Alfred Engel, 7 December 1987).
  76 Spicehandler testimony in Martin, op.cit.
  77 Silver, p.95
  78 David Shaltiel, Jerusalem 1948, p.140; Aryeh Yitzhaki, "Deir Yassin--Not Through a Warped
  Mirror," Yediot Ahronot, 14 April 1972, p.17.
  79 Thurston Clarke, By Blood and Fire: July 22, 1946 - The Attack on Jerusalem's King David
  Hotel (New York: G.P.Putnam's Sons, 1981), p.224; Nicholas Bethell, The Palestine Triangle:
  The Struggle for the Holy Land, 1935-48 (New York: G.P.Putnam's Sons, 1979) p.156.
  80 A long excerpt from Catling's report may be found in Collins and Lapierre, p.276.
  81 Spicehandler testimony in Martin, op.cit.
  82 Milstein, p.274 (interviews with Shimon Monita, Moshe Idelstein, Yona Feitelson, and
  Mordechai Gihon).
  83 Menachem Begin, The Revolt (Los Angeles: Nash, 1972), p.163.
  84 Milstein, pp.268-269 (interview with Mordechai Ra'anan).
  85 Milstein, p.269 (Testimony of Meir Pa'il).
  86 Milstein, p.273 (interview with David Cohen, 18 July 1987). Pa'il used the figure in Yediot
  Ahronot, 20 April 1972. But in 1989, he wrote that in his report to Galili, "the number of those
  murdered was not mentioned at all, since we did not then know the number." (Uri Milstein, "The
  Speech Which Was Not Given" [Hebrew], Ha'aretz, 10 March 1989, p. 15.)
  87 Silver, op.cit., pp.95-96.
  88 Kanani and Zitawi, Deir Yassin (Bir Zeit study), p.5.
  89 Ibid., p.7.
  90 Ibid., pp.7-.8.
  91 Ibid., p.57.
  92 Milstein, p.273 (interview with Mordechai Ra'anan).
  93 "Arabs Charge Cruelty," Palestine Post, 12 April 1948, p.1; Schmidt, "Arabs Say Kastel...,"
  op.cit.
  94 The relevant sections of Reynier's report are translated in Walid Khalidi, ed. From Haven to
  Conquest: Readings in Zionism and the Palestine Problem Until 1948 (Washington: Institute for
  Palestine Studies, 1987), pp.761-766.
  95 Dana Adams Schmidt, Armageddon in the Middle East (New York: The John Day Company,
  1974), pp.4-5.
  96 Dana Adams Schmidt, "200 Arabs Killed, Stronghold Taken," New York Times, 10 April
  1948, p.6.
  97 Schmidt, Armageddon, p.5.
  98 Dana Adams Schmidt, "Arabs Say Kastel Has Been Retaken; Jews Deny Claim," New York
  Times, 12 April 1948, p.1.
  99 "A Haganah Plane Downed by British," New York Times, 13 April 1948, p.7.
  100 Ben Halpern, The Idea of the Jewish State (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press,
  1969), p.480, n.60.
  101 "A Haganah Plane...," op.cit.
  102 "Palestine: War for the Jerusalem Road," Time, 19 April 1948, pp.34-35.
  103 R.M. Graves, Experiment in Anarchy (London: Victor Gollancz Ltd, 1949), p.179.
  104 William Polk, David Stamler, and Edmund Asfour Backdrop to Tragedy: The Struggle for
  Palestine (Boston: Beacon Hill Press, 1957), p.290; Christopher Sykes, Crossroads to Israel
  (Cleveland and New York: World Publishing Company, 1965), p.351.
  105 Alfred M. Lilienthal, The Zionist Connection: What Price Peace? (New York: Dodd, Mead
  & Co., 1978), p.795, n.23; David McDowall, Palestine and Israel: The Uprising and Beyond
  (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1989), p.298, n.44; Desmond Stewart, The Middle
  East: Temple of Janus (Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1971), p.314; Nathan Weinstock, Zionism:
  False Messiah (London: Ink Links Ltd, 1979), p.303, n.45.
  106 Arthur Koestler, Promise and Fulfilment: Palestine 1917-1949 (New York: The MacMillan
  Company, 1949), p.160.
  107 Weinstock, op.cit., p.305, n.23; Lilienthal, op.cit., p.795, n.40; Charles D. Smith, Palestine
  and the Arab-Israeli Conflict (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1992), p.150, n.64; Nicholas
  Bethell, The Palestine Triangle: The Struggle for the Holy Land, 1935-48 (New York:
  G.P.Putnam's Sons, 1979), pp.354-355.
  108 McDowall, op.cit., p.299, n.44; David Gilmour, "The 1948 Arab Exodus: 2. What Really
  Happened," Middle East International No.288 (21 November 1985), pp.15-17.
  109 Jon Kimche, Seven Fallen Pillars: The Middle East, 1915-1950 (London: Secker and
  Warburg, 1950) is cited by, among other books, Sydney D. Bailey, Four Arab-Israeli Wars and
  the Peace Process (London: Macmillan, 1990); Noam Chomsky, The Fateful Triangle: The
  United States, Israel and the Palestinians (Boston: South End Press, 1983); and David Gilmour,
  Dispossessed: The Ordeal of the Palestinians, 1917-1980 (London: Sidgwick and Jackson,
  1980).
  110 Israel's Struggle for Peace (New York: Israel Office of Information, 1960), pp.41-42.
  111 Background Notes on Current Themes - No.6: Dir Yassin (Jerusalem: Ministry for Foreign
  Affairs, Information Division, 16 March 1969), pp. 1-2.
  112 Ibid., pp.2-3.
  113 Ibid., p.4
  114 Ibid., p.5-6.
  115 Ibid., p.6.
  116 Quoted in Shaul Mishal and Reuben Aharoni, Speaking Stones: Communiques from the
  Intifada Underground (Syracuse, NY: Syracuse University Press, 1994), p.223.
  117 Abu Iyad with Eric Rouleau, My Home, My Land (New York: Times Books, 1981), p.4.
  118 Edward Said, The Question of Palestine (New York: Times Books, 1979), p.44.
  119 Issa Nakhleh, on p.570 of John Norton Moore, ed., The Arab Israeli Conflict - Volume I:
  Readings (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1974).
  120 Sami Hadawi and Robert John, Palestine Diary - Volume Two: 1945-1948 (New York:
  New World Press, 1972), p.328.
  121 Eugene M. Fisher and M. Cherif Bassiouni, Storm Over the Arab World: A People in
  Revolution (Chicago: Follett, 1972), p.44.
  122 This allegation appears in, for example, William R. Polk, The Elusive Peace: The Middle East
  in the Twentieth Century (New York: St.Martin's Press, 1979), p.144: John Marlowe, The Seat
  of Pilate: An Account of the Palestine Mandate (London: The Cresset Press, 1959), p.245; and
  George Lenczowksi, The Middle East in World Affairs (Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 1962),
  p.400.
  123 William Polk, David Stamler, and Edmund Asfour Backdrop to Tragedy: The Struggle for
  Palestine (Boston: Beacon Hill Press, 1957), p.291. 124 Cheryl A. Rubenberg, in Roselle
  Tekiner, Samir Abed-Rabbo, and Norton Mezvinsky, eds. Anti-Zionism: Analytical Reflections
  (Brattleboro, VT: Amana Books, 1989), p.189.
  125 Geoffrey Furlonge, Palestine is My Country: The Story of Musa Alami (John Murray,
  London 1969), p.155
  126 Howard M. Sachar, A History of Israel: From the Rise of Zionism to Our Time (New York:
  Alfred A. Knopf, 1996), p.333.
  127 New York: McGraw-Hill, 1982, p.62.
  128 New York: Praeger, 1975.
  129 Eshkol: The Man and the Nation (New York: Pitman, 1969), p.130.
  130 Samuel Katz, Days of Fire (Jerusalem: Steimatzky's, 1968), p.215.
  131 Said, op.cit., p.44.
  132 Gerald Kaufman, To Build the Promised Land (London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1973),
  p.139.
  133 Lois A. Aroian and Richard P. Mitchell, The Modern Middle East and North Africa (New
  York and London: Macmillan and Collier Macmillan, 1984), p.245.
  134 Christina Jones, The Untempered Wind: Forty Years in Palestine (London: Longman, 1975),
  p.90.
  135 Martin Wright, ed. Israel and the Palestinians (London: Longman, 1989), p.24).
  136 Jamal R. Nassar, The Palestine Liberation Organization: From Armed Struggle to the
  Declaration of Independence (Westport, CT: Praeger, 1991), p.24, n.57.
  137 Punyapriya Dasgupta, Cheated by the World: The Palestinian Experience (London: Sangam
  Books, 1988), p.82, n.39.
  138 Sami Hadawi, Bitter Harvest: Palestine Between 1914-1979 (Delmar, NY: The Caravan
  Books, 1979), pp.80-81.
  139 Menachem Begin, The Revolt: The Memoirs of the Commander of the Irgun Zvai Leumi in
  Eretz Yisrael [Hebrew](Tel Aviv: Achiasaf Publishers, 1950).
  140 Maxime Rodinson, Israel: A Colonial-Settler State? (New York: Monad Press, 1973),
  p.114, n.109; Erskine Childers, "The Other Exodus," The Spectator, 12 May 1961; Stewart
  Perowne, "Levant Dusk: The Refugee Situation," in Walter Z. Laqueur, ed., The Middle East in
  Transition (New York: Praeger, 1958), p.222.
  141 Desmond Stewart, The Middle East: Temple of Janus (Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1971),
  p.314; Desmond Stewart, The Palestinians: Victims of Expediency (London: Quartet Books,
  1982), p.62.
  142 Kenneth Cragg, This Year in Jerusalem: Israel in Experience (London: Darton, Longman &
  Todd, 1982), p.56.
  143 "Israel and Judaism," Christian Century, 16 March 1949, p.328.
  144 Andrew Sinclair, Jerusalem: The Endless Crusade (New York: Crown, 1995), p.232.
  145 Dan Kurzman, Genesis 1948: The First Arab-Israeli War (New York: World Publishing,
  1970), pp. xi, 138-149.
  146 J. Bowyer Bell, Terror Out of Zion: Irgun Zvai Leumi, LEHI, and the Palestine Underground,
  1929-1949 (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1979), p.296.
  147 Melvin I. Urofsky, We Are One! American Jewry and Israel (Garden City, NY: Anchor
  Press/Doubleday, 1978), p.485. Bell is also the only source cited for the Deir Yassin massacre
  charge in Stephen Green's Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations with a Militant Israel (New
  York: William Morrow and Company, 1984), p.260, n.15.
  148 Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre, O Jerusalem (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1972),
  pp.274-276.
  149 David Hirst, The Gun and the Olive Branch: The Roots of Violence in the Middle East
  (London and Boston: Faber and Faber, 1977). Collins and Lapierre wrote, "Its [Deir Yassin's]
  assailants killed, they looted, and finally they raped." (p.275) Hirst wrote, "The attackers killed,
  looted, and finally they raped." (p.125) Books listing Hirst as a source include: Yemima Rosenthal,
  ed. Documents on the Foreign Policy of Israel: Volume 3 - Armistice Negotiations with the Arab
  States December 1948-July 1949 (Jerusalem: Government Printer, 1981; Dilip Hiro, Inside the
  Middle East (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1982); John W. Amos II, Palestinian Resistance:
  Organization of a Nationalist Movement ((New York: Pergamon Press, 1980); and David
  Gilmour, Dispossessed: The Ordeal of the Palestinians 1917-1980 (London: Sidgwick and
  Jackson, 1980).
  150 Collins and Lapierre, op.cit., p.584.
  151 Kimmerling and Migdal, op.cit., p.151.
  152 Kanani and Zitawi, Deir Yassin (Bir Zeit study), p.7.
  153 Tessler, op.cit., p.291.
  154 Ibid., pp.292-293.
  155 Yaacov Shimoni and Evyatar Levine, eds.Political Dictionary of the Middle East in the 20th
  Century (New York: Quadrangle/New York Times Books, 1974, p.36; Congressional Quarterly,
  The Middle East (Washington, D.C.: Congressional Quarterly, 1991), p.13; Eli Barnavi,
  ed.Historical Atlas of the Jewish People (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1992), pp.244, 276;
  Judah Gribetz, ed. Timetables of Jewish History (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1993), p.495;
  Bernard Reich, ed.Historical Encyclopedia of the Arab-Israeli Conflict (Westport, CT:
  Greenwood Press, 1996), pp.128-129, 247.
  156 Peretz has served as an official of a number of extreme-left organizations, including the Jewish
  Committee on the Middle East (as a member of its Advisory Committee), which calls for halting all
  U.S. aid to Israel; the Jewish Peace Lobby (as a member of its Policy Council), which lobbies in
  Washington for PLO statehood; Breira (as a member of its board of directors), the first American
  Jewish group to call for an Israeli retreat to the pre-1967 borders; and the Committee for New
  Alternatives in the Middle East (as a member of its Steering Committee), which lobbied against
  U.S. arms shipments to Israel during the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Peretz's two Deir Yassin entries
  appeared in Reeva S. Simon, Philip Mattar, and Richard W. Bulliet, eds. Encyclopedia of the
  Modern Middle East (New York: Simon & Schuster - Macmillan, 1996), pp.546-547, and Don
  Peretz, Library in a Book: The Arab-Israel Dispute (New York: Facts on File, 1996), pp.39,
  121.

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