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Routed Taliban 'collapsing like dominos'
IndependentUK.com via Drudge | Nov 12,2001 | By Justin Huggler in Khojabahuddin and Paul Waugh, Deputy Political Editor

Posted on 11/12/2001 5:48:58 AM PST by NC Conservative

Routed Taliban 'collapsing like dominos'

Northern Alliance claims string of victories but Bush orders it to keep out of Kabul

By Justin Huggler in Khojabahuddin and Paul Waugh, Deputy Political Editor

12 November 2001

Afghanistan's opposition forces have closed in on Kabul, claiming to have recaptured large swathes of territory from the retreating Taliban in a triumphant sweep across the north.

The opposition foreign minister, Abdullah Abdullah, described a sudden collapse of Taliban forces that he said put Northern Alliance troops on the outskirts of Herat, the main city in western Afghanistan, and approaching the capital after overrunning Bamiyan.

Geoff Hoon, the Secretary of State for Defence, confirmed for the first time that British military personnel, believed to be members of the SAS, are active on the ground in Afghanistan.

"I can confirm that there are members of Britain's armed forces on the ground in northern Afghanistan, liaising with the Northern Alliance providing advice and assistance," he told BBC Radio 4's The World this Weekend programme.

Taliban forces were said to be withdrawing towards Kabul, two days after the dramatic fall of Mazar-i-Sharif, in what appears to be a sensational success for the American strategy of bombing in support of the Northern Alliance.

But many of the reported advances were unconfirmed. Most of them appeared to be the result not of pitched battles, but of the defection of local Taliban commanders – and the sincerity of those defections is not yet certain.

Mr Abdullah expressed surprise at the speed of the reported Taliban collapse. "I knew the cracks could produce a sort of domino effect and this could get out of their [the Taliban's] control," he said.

It was reported that a planned Northern Alliance offensive on Kabul had been "postponed" after US President George Bush warned the Alliance to hold back from the capital until a provisional government could be formed. But Mr Abdullah refused to rule out a march on Kabul in the coming days.

The alliance claimed its forces were about to enter Taloqan, yesterday, after Taliban commanders in the northern city defected along with 5,000 of their men. But the claim was impossible to verify, and the Taliban denied that the city had fallen.

If the fall of Taloqan is confirmed, all that would stand between the Northern Alliance and control of the north as far west as Mazar is the heavily fortified city and province of Kunduz. If Kunduz were to fall, forces in the north-east could join those who captured Mazar to create a continuous swathe of Northern Alliance territory.

Elsewhere, the Alliance claimed it had made major gains in the provinces of Bamiyan and Baghlan, and captured the towns of Eskamesh, Nahran, Chal, and the strategic road junction at Pul-i-Khumri, which commands the main road into Kabul itself.

But the alliance suffered setbacks as well. In heavy fighting overnight, Taliban forces pushed back an alliance advance in fighting on the Dasht-i-qaleh front line north of Taloqan, one of the approaches to Kunduz. There were rumours that a member of an American special forces team guiding bombers over the city had been wounded.

North of Kabul, alliance commanders appeared to be chafing at the bit as they heard of the successes to their west. But the US fears its strategy could unravel if they were to capture Kabul, where they are unpopular. It is thought the Pashtuns of the south will not stomach the minority-dominated alliance in the capital.

Mr Hoon told a newspaper that he would be "quite happy to see the Northern Alliance steam across northern Afghanistan and take Kabul" but after the Americans made their views clear, he amended his comments. "We want them [the alliance] to march towards Kabul, to take ground, to deny the Taliban regime and Osama bin Laden space in Afghanistan," he told BBC's Breakfast with Frost. Downing Street also said that it merely wanted the alliance to "march towards" Kabul but not yet enter the city.

Mr bin Laden warned the US-led coalition that he would never allow himself to be captured alive. "America can't get me alive," he told a Pakistani interviewer.


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21 posted on 11/12/2001 7:12:41 AM PST by russdawg
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To: GeorgeandtheDralgore
The guy that does George W. on Saturday Night Live was really funny. He did George W. and said:

"We're going to smoke him out of his hole. Then we're going to run him back in. Then we're going to run him back out and then run him back in. Why? Because its fun and we like it."
22 posted on 11/12/2001 7:16:24 AM PST by FreepForever
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To: NC Conservative
What?! Fierce Afghan fighters running away?! How are we to believe that? After all, they beat the British in 1839!
23 posted on 11/12/2001 7:18:24 AM PST by CaptRon
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To: FreepForever
ROTFL!!!
24 posted on 11/12/2001 7:21:59 AM PST by Elenya
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To: Cobra64
How's this Cobra? Now thats a GUN!
25 posted on 11/12/2001 7:22:12 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Walkin Man
That's the one! Thanks!
The one I was thinking about has your pic on the left,
another one on the right with gun pointed left, with a
pic of OBL in the middle!
26 posted on 11/12/2001 7:24:05 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
That's the one! Thanks!

heh heh

No problem, I thought that might be the picture you had in mind. I like your idea about putting bin-Laden in-between two of these pictures! Maybe with crosshairs across his ugly mug, eh?

27 posted on 11/12/2001 7:35:15 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: mlocher
Why is Bush warning the N.A. off Kabul? Something I've wondered for days - is Kabul reserved for another occupation force? It appears many Talicowards are headed south for Kandahar. Will a "neutral" muslim occupation force move into Kabul? Say Turks and Pakistanis?
28 posted on 11/12/2001 9:06:09 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: NC Conservative
Are we sure that this is not merely a tactic by the Taliban and al-Qaeda to lure the Northern Alliance into a trap, where they are caught in a murderous crossfire, after they have outrun their logistics?

This seems almost TOO easy.... Pardon my suspicions, but doesn't this kind of destroy the Order of Battle? Circle to the west, approach Kandalar from the south and west, and isolate the remnants of al-Qaeda in the mountains to the north of Kandalar.

29 posted on 11/12/2001 9:14:20 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: LJLucido
I used to work for this colonel that would come up with the wildest malapropisms. We called them "Heil-isms" in his honor. During a meeting he'd toss out a "cease and exist" followed by a "that's where the rubber hits the beach." Hilarious, one just had to bite one's cheek and look at the floor until the urge to laugh passed.
30 posted on 11/12/2001 9:25:07 AM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: colorado tanker
i do not agree with bush's comments, but i understand why he made them, and furthermore the NA will do as it feels is best.

many in the coalition, especially musharaaf, are concerned about continued fighting among the tribes once kabul falls. musharaaf is concerned that fighting could spill into pakistan and threaten his regime (not to mention their nukes). he would rather there be some type of government ready to replace the taliban before kabul falls that is representative of all the tribes.

bush is supporting musharaaf who has taken significant political risk to support us. i am not terribly upset because franks continues the bombing and the NA will do as they see fit
33 posted on 11/12/2001 9:54:05 AM PST by mlocher
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To: colorado tanker
Why is Bush warning the N.A. off Kabul?
Very simple. Explanation at the bottom of this page: Once again the terrorists are caught by surprise
34 posted on 11/12/2001 10:01:34 AM PST by Milosevic2
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To: NC Conservative
...in what appears to be a sensational success for the American strategy of bombing in support of the Northern Alliance.

Eat that, CBSABCNBCCNN!!!

35 posted on 11/12/2001 10:20:48 AM PST by Illbay
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To: LJLucido
alliance commanders appeared to be chafing at the bit

Is it my imagination, or are metaphors being mixed here? A mixed metaphor always sticks in my claw.

You are correct sir. The proper metaphor would be chomping at the bit. 'Chafing at the bit' conjurs up images of horses in dire need of chapstick.

Come to think of it, 'chafing' may very well be appropriate for Afghanistan.

36 posted on 11/12/2001 10:27:14 AM PST by rogers21774
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To: mlocher
Frankly, your statement is ignorant. It reveals a complete cluelessness concerning the U.S.'s interests in this region. It will do us no good to leave Afghanistan in a power-vacuum, which will quickly be filled by jerk-offs just as bad, just as ruthless and just as anti-American as the Taliban.

And that, in turn, will leave Afghanistan a fertile ground for continuing terrorist operations. Such corrupt governments as typically ensconce themselves in places like Afghanistan or Lebanon don't care who their "friends" are as long as they bring cash.

That's how al-Qaeda ended up there in the first place. Pay attention.

37 posted on 11/12/2001 10:28:13 AM PST by Illbay
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To: colorado tanker
My guess is the U.N. will take over. That wouldn't be my first choice, of course, but as long as the country isn't being run by those who think people like bin Laden are heroes.
38 posted on 11/12/2001 10:29:57 AM PST by Illbay
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To: NC Conservative
I knew solid pressure on these creeps would bring the whole rotten structure down.

Note to Third World- don't &^%$* with the West.

39 posted on 11/12/2001 10:33:22 AM PST by JAWs
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To: NC Conservative
Mr bin Laden warned the US-led coalition that he would never allow himself to be captured alive. "America can't get me alive," he told a Pakistani interviewer.

We don't want you alive S4!Tbag, dead will be just fine.

40 posted on 11/12/2001 10:37:52 AM PST by Double Tap
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