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ISLAM: THE SECOND WAVE
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Posted on 10/31/2001 6:24:45 PM PST by Brian Allen
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The extent of the worldwide Muslim population is not generally appreciated in the United States. Muslim rebels threaten the stability of the Philippines. Indonesia, with 200 million people, is a Muslim giant, albeit a largely sleeping giant. China faces Muslim pressure in its western region, as Russia does in Central Asia and nearby republics. Witness the protracted war waged by the Chechnyans.
The [Clinton "administration"] in an act of incredible folly [?] supported the Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo, thereby giving Muslims an historic opportunity to renew their penetration of the Balkans at the expense of the Christian Serbs and Croats.
The Europeans, for their part, seem unmindful of the danger-even though Muslim revolutionary fighters were brought into the Balkans to help establish bases there. Europeans seem to have forgotten that their ancestors had to fight for hundreds of years to prevent the Muslims from controlling all of Europe, the remains of the old western Roman empire.
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posted on
10/31/2001 6:24:45 PM PST
by
Brian Allen
(Brian@Zed-Air.com)
To: Singapore_Yank; veronica; MadIvan; Byron_the_Aussie; Physicist; DoughtyOne
Ping
To: Brian Allen
See the homegrown muslim terrorists live at CSPAN2 now: http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan2.asp
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posted on
10/31/2001 7:00:31 PM PST
by
KeyLargo
To: Brian Allen
Bookmarked.
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10/31/2001 7:03:45 PM PST
by
onyx
To: Brian Allen; *balkans
The [Clinton "administration"] in an act of incredible folly [?] supported the Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo, thereby giving Muslims an historic opportunity to renew their penetration of the Balkans at the expense of the Christian Serbs and Croats. Amen!
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10/31/2001 7:15:26 PM PST
by
F-117A
To: Brian Allen
Bumped and bookmarked...and likely e-mailed out. Thanks, Brian.
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To: equus
But to think we are in for another siege as in the Middle Ages, i another-and far less likely scenario.I hope that you're right and not just horsing around
To: equus
But the picture is more complex even than this. Much of the Arab world is under secular control: Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. When it loses control to religious fundamentalism, as in Iran and Afghanistan today, the masses hate it and rebel. The war againt terrorism is one thing. But to think we are in for another siege as in the Middle Ages, i another-and far less likely scenario. That Islamic fanaticism, found fertile soil in the middle east, is a given. But this is a reactionary response, to the shear speed, and pervasiveness with which western culture has assaulted them. Just look how they responded, by trying to turn back the clock. Even we in the educated west, have trouble with the speed of change. Try to imagine if you grew up in one of these backward nations, you can't even read, and now your presented, with a personal computer and you know, that the west is leaving you behind. They call us arrogant, the ignorant, always think the educated are arrogant, and that they look down on them. It's the young, that are best with change. Look at the recent riots in Iran, where the students are calling for an end to the Theocracy. This second wave concept, is wrong. What we are seeing is reactionary, not revolutionary.
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10/31/2001 8:47:41 PM PST
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Eagle74
To: Brian Allen
Given the relativism of the contemporary liberal world, one has to wonder whether it will be possible for the West to develop the siege mentality that may be necessary to prevent a new Islamic conquest. The acquisition of such a mentality runs counter to everything that Westerners bought into in the latter half of the twentieth century. One of the underlying assumptions of the liberal Western world is that all people are essentially good and that all problems can be solved by sweet reasonableness, with economic advantage being a major force for different groups finding common agreement. These notions are contrary to several millennia of human experience and ignore the bloody, protracted character of conflicts between civilizations. A lot of us are starting to appreciate the long-term danger of the Islamic world - that they have replaced the Communist world as the main evil force in the world. But I don't think the West had gone soft because of (generic)liberalism, it's just that once Communism collapsed it looked like liberal Western-style philosophy had won.
We all just kind of ignored the Muslim threat. (We never even gave it a thought until 1979 & Iran.) But I think we'll be able to get over the fact that the new Western idyll was cut short after beating the Communists. If another seige is necessary for this century against religious totalitarianism like it was against CommuNazi totalitarianism before, so be it.
IOW, in the long run I'm not worried at all. We will win the long term battle. Islam cannot thrive in a modern world.
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10/31/2001 9:07:35 PM PST
by
jennyp
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To: jennyp
Yep, we will win. But only after we begin to fight. And doen't the Russians' use of awesome force against Chechnya look to have been "just about right," now?
No wonder Mr Bush and Mr Putin came to an understanding with each other so smoothly over the conduct of the Ashturdistahn campaign!
To: jennyp
Islam cannot thrive in a modern world. Agree. Are we witnessing the painful, agonizing birth of Islam into modernity? I think so. To use the birth metaphor, it's going to have to be a cesarean.
To: Brian Allen
"Yep, we will win. But only after we begin to fight. And doen't the Russians' use of awesome force against Chechnya look to have been "just about right," now?"
Even before I always supported the Russians in this. We are all fighting the same enemy
To: Brian Allen
Great read! Good post.
To: Brian Allen
Ultimately, it required that an atomic bomb be used to humble the Japanese. It was necessary for the Allies to invade the heart of Europe to defeat Hitler's Third Reich. Fortunately, the moral stamina of the Americans and the Allies was immense at the time. Survival instinct, just as much as "moral stamina." Folks didn't want to be subjects of Germany or Japan, who had declared war against us.
Radical Islamists have effectively declared War against the US (and I suppose anyone who allies with us). Bush and Blair should just come out, and say this, plain and simple. They should give a little history lesson, running down the litany of terroism, by Muslims, across the world.
They should throw down the challenge to every nation, to pick sides. Then start fighting the war, without reservation.
Thus far, it appears to be only vague, half-measures. But it will come to be more, far more, than that. Atomic at some point, because these folks unerstand power and destruction, and nothing less.
To: equus
By that time we will have a missile defense shield and we will have learned how to protect our borders from strangers. But we must not forget that they first establish a stable population as a base in a country. Their main method of attack is from within the country ,as 9/11 shows. They do not fight conventional warfare, ie: mass troops, tanks rolling etc. etc., because they would lose. They fight from within with guerilla tactics and terror.This way they negate the use of the more powerful aspects of a country's weapons and even the playing field.
They already have a base of several million Islamics in this country. We've got to seal our borders from these people or we're going to be facing the same thing that Israel is with the same regularity. The damn politicans had better forget this PC crap and the Muslim vote and get as many of these people out of the country as they can.
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To: equus
Perhaps you are right. I certainly hope so.My remarks where not directed at the ones that are citizens of this country but those non-citizens from states that support terrorism. IF the government thinks that the threat is serious enough to have some additional permanent restictions placed on our rights, then they should first require that these potential non-citizen threats leave our country.
To: shaggy eel
Something for the Aussies to contemplate while their "islamic peace organizations" are talking of a "holy" peace! [Events of the past few days seem to indicate that Helen Clarke already DID her homework]
FReegards -- Brian
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