Posted on 10/31/2001 3:16:12 PM PST by ErnBatavia
The media has seemed to suppress this (how many poor souls that felt compelled to jump from the burning towers) for whatever reason.
I, for one, would like to be armed with some sort of number who leaped to their certain deaths. I have a feeling, due to the "Vietnamization" taking place now, that this tidbit of data might come in handy.......right about the time some clown gets my '5 across the lips'.
Anybody have an idea as to the numbers involved here? Thanks in advance.
99% of the fuel burned up outside of the buildings, within the first 20 seconds or so. - What was burning inside was the carpets, upholstery, and paper, and the fire was not particularly hot, but very toxic.
The buildings didn't fall because of heat, but due to explosive charges that had been set prior to the attack.
Your ignorance of physics is abysmal
If there were no charges, the buildings would still be standing. - The damage done by the aircraft, while quite ugly, was structurally superficial, and the fires were not hot enough to burn the bodies of many of the passengers and crew.
That is fact, you are the nut.
I believe you are right. None of those metal beams looks melted; they were all detached or blown apart or left leaning.
Now, if those buildings were riddled with explosives, how long would it have taken people to set them up? Would they have been doing it undercover as "reconstruction" workers, remodelers, latenight janitorial staff, inspectors of some sort, a combination of the already mentioned or something else?
I think well nigh the entire security system/personnel of those WTC buildings was compromised. People who escaped from WTC #2 - the last to get hit yet the first to go down - were told to go back to their offices by guards after WTC #1 was hit and on fire when they had wanted to leave their building.
People may say that was because it would be safer to stay in while burning debris was falling, but even after WTC #2 was hit by an airplane itself, the PA system kept announcing that people could go back to their offices. Was it a computerized, pre-recorded announcement? Was the plan to kill as many people as possible in WTC #2 and keep them there for the collapse AND have it filled with firefighters and rescue personnel at the same time?
The airplane attack on WTC #1 already brought the firefighters to the vicinity. Then WTC #2 was hit and it could be the most quickly filled with firefighters while still theoretically (if that was how the diabolical schemers planned it) having more people inside and clogging the stairwells. That's probably why WTC #2 would have been chosen to be demolished first. WTC #2 was hit more on the edge and more of the fuel from that plane seemed to blow up outside that building in comparison to WTC #1, which was hit about 20 minutes before yet stood longer.
How many structural fires have you investigated that you were able to determine this? A fire in an enclosed structure will build up sufficient heat to weaken steel. Even without 20,000 gallons of jet fuel a fire can get hot enough to collapse a building. I have seen it happen and I have investigated fires where it has happened.
99% of the fuel burned up outside of the buildings, within the first 20 seconds or so. - What was burning inside was the carpets, upholstery, and paper, and the fire was not particularly hot, but very toxic.
20,000 gallons of jet fuel did not burn up all at once. There is undoubtedly unburned jet fuel still in the remains of the building. The jet fuel got the fire going so quickly that it totally overwhelmed the fire suppression system allowing the fire to burn uncontrolled. It was just a matter of time till the heat build up inside and the structural steel weakened enough for the collapse to begin. Once it started, the weight of the building and gravity took over.
None of the steel actually melted. It didn't need to. It just needed to become a bit less rigid and more elastic. Once that happened to enough of the steel on one floor, it could no longer support the weight of the building above it. That's why the second building to be hit was the first to fall. There was more weight above the fire because the second plane struck the building lower than the first plane. Also, very few of the floors were involved in the fire, so not much of the steel would show signs of heat stress.
Planting explosives would have taken months, would have had to involve many people (some of whom would have talked by now), would be easily detected by an investigation, and would have been totally unnecessary.
My father, a retired dentist, treated a patient who had fallen from a grain elevator and luckily survived with only broken legs and teeth. I was assisting my father at that time and I will never forget him and what he told us.
He said that it seemed to take forever to get down. If my memory serves me correctly he mentioned passing in and out of consciousness but mainly that it just took what seemed like forever to get to the bottom. That always stuck in my mind.
I just realized that I haven't heard anything about people who made it to the roof. They probably thought they had made it -- "safety" at the top. G-d bless their souls.
It was on the front page of the biggest tabloid in New York City, the New York Daily News. It's not being suppressed.
This is not true. The building reached temperatures of 6000 degrees, and the site is *still* smoldering!
What an incredibly ignorant statement!
All of the materials known to have existed in the buildings would have either vaporized, or become incandescant thousands of degrees below such an absurd temperature. - Had the temp. risen above 800 degrees, there could not have been any black smoke, as the carbon would have oxidized quickly at that temp. - Post again when you graduate from the 8th grade.
"Planting explosives would have taken months, would have had to involve many people (some of whom would have talked by now), would be easily detected by an investigation,..."
It could have taken months, or years; I don't know, but it was done. - Those who have attempted to 'talk' about OKC, where the same thing was done on a smaller scale (trial run?) have either been killed, prosecuted on false charges, or silenced by the shrill screams from the lap-dog media.
Finally, who would be conducting this alleged 'investigation?' - - "Who will guard the guards?"
http://peoplw.aol.com/people/special/0,11859,174592-3,00.html
Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.
September 12, 2001
We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a BOMB went off. WE THINK THERE WAS BOMBS SET IN THE BUILDING. I had just asked another firefighter to stay with me, which was a good thing because we were trapped inside the elevator and he had the tools to get out.
There were probably 500 people trapped in the stairwell. It was mass chaos. The power went out. It was dark. Everybody was screaming. We had oxygen masks and we were giving people oxygen. Some of us made it out and some of us didn't. I know of at least 30 firefighters who are still missing. This is my 20th year. I am seriously considering retiring. This might have done it.
When the first broadcast were being made of interviews with people who were standing watching the buildings burn, one commentator said while watching the building: "What's that you heard? 'Pop, pop, pop,' and you saw glass being blown AWAY from the building and THEN the building begin to crash?"
The glass being blown outward was shown going from the bottom UP, NOT from the top DOWN.
I saw it, I heard it, and I said to myself those were detonations. Later I saw the same clip shown, but with no sound.
Debris was blown by the force of the compressed air over several blocks. You saw the clouds of debris rolling down the street.
There were no bombs no matter how much the paranoid wackos want to believe.
See this link to read an INFORMED AND PROFESSIONAL opinion on how the buildings came down. Architectural Record on WTC
So the temperature never went above 800 degrees, huh? Can you please explain these articles:
The jets that exploded into the towers showered them with gallons of jet fuel and raised the temperature of the structural beams to about 2,000 degrees. Source
He added that a flame burning jet fuel and air generates an approximate temperature of 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit — "more intense than any fire code scenario." Source
I guess we all just imagined seeing the black smoke coming from the buildings, as it couldn't have possibly happened if the temperature was above 800 degrees, according to you.
It could have taken months, or years; I don't know, but it was done. - Those who have attempted to 'talk' about OKC, where the same thing was done on a smaller scale (trial run?) have either been killed, prosecuted on false charges, or silenced by the shrill screams from the lap-dog media.
You make some very serious charges here about what happened at the World Trade Center, yet the only source you can cite for what you say really happened is: yourself, and your conspiracy theory on Oklahoma City. Please explain to us your proof as to how incindiery devices were planted in the Twin Towers beforehand.
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