Rep. Steve Buyer, IN-R on Fox Demands use of nuclear weapons if Anthrax traced to Terrorists

Fox News Live ^ | 24 OCT 01 | DCBryan1

[DCBryan1]

Im paraphrasing what the Congressment is saying:

"We as a country cannot fear an open discussion {on the use of nuclear weapons)".

We have been attacked by Biological weapons, and as per our 50 year plan, need to fulfill our promise to deter such attacks by using small, tactical nuclear weapons on terrorists strongholds.

If we do not retaliate with weapons of mass destruction as they have used on us, future terrorist attacks with WMD may not be detered and the consequences may be more than we are willing to bear.

Steve Buyer, IN-R

Again I was paraphrasing.

[Rowdee]

Sure wish some of these jerk-offs would be willing to discuss openly the Constitution....or even follow it....or listen to their betters (the Founding Fathers).

[Huck]

Who cares what kind of weapons we use? If we can defeat them with pea shooters that's fine with me. I believe that winning is the best deterrant, as long as the objectives by which victory is measured are valid and properly defined.

[blaster88]

For those who can't be troubled to foolow the Andrew Sullivan link back and scroll down through the archives, read this that he wrote last week - a very eloquent and cogent analysis, and exaclty what I am saying:

So they are warning us and testing us. At this point, it seems to me that a refusal to extend the war to Iraq is not even an option. We have to extend it to Iraq. It is by far the most likely source of this weapon; it is clearly willing to use such weapons in the future; and no war against terrorism of this kind can be won without dealing decisively with the Iraqi threat. We no longer have any choice in the matter. Slowly, incrementally, a Rubicon has been crossed. The terrorists have launched a biological weapon against the United States. They have therefore made biological warfare thinkable and thus repeatable. We once had a doctrine that such a Rubicon would be answered with a nuclear response. We backed down on that threat in the Gulf War but Saddam didn't dare use biological weapons then. Someone has dared to use them now. Our response must be as grave as this new threat. I know that this means that this conflict is deepening and widening beyond its initial phony stage. But what choice do we have? Inaction in the face of biological warfare is an invitation for more in a world where that is now thinkable. Appropriate response will no doubt inflame an already inflamed region, as people seek solace through the usual ideological fire. Either way the war will grow and I feel nothing but dread in my heart. But we didn't seek this conflict. It has sought us. If we do not wage war now, we may have to wage an even bloodier war in the very near future. These are bleak choices, but what else do we have?

The big question is, if they have smallpox, are you still more afraid of what the Chinese think?

[Brett66]

I support the general principle of using nukes in our defense but I wonder about the military practicality of it. Do we have bunker buster nukes? Maybe our conventional bunker busters are more effective than a nuke that's not designed for this purpose. Another example would be the taliban forces north of Kabul. We want to take them out, but not the northern alliance. A nuke couldn't be used in this case. One military use we could use nukes for could be to carpet bomb the entire mountain range in northeast Afghanistan with nukes. This would effectively end the use of those mountains as hideouts. In terms of practical military use, nukes aren't well designed for the objectives we want to achieve.

[Bommer]

start using nukes on these 500m-1000m deep caves.

Absolutely Right, nuclear weapons exploded inside these caves would collapse the tunnels, creating tombs for the evil ones.

Nomally I'd agree, except that you'd never really know if you got the sonofab!tch! He needs to be taken out, his head chopped off and graphed onto a dead pigs body if you ask me!

[pgkdan]

OBL is not the target now.

Agreed, and as far as I'm concerned never was the primary target. I think that Islamic fundamentalism, or militant Islam is our enemy and terrorism is one of their weapons and as such we should be attacking it, and since OBL is a terrorist he is one of MANY targets. Bush needed a face for us to hate and OBL's is doing that...Nuking his mountain stronghold will send the clear message to Iraq and Iran and the rest of the Islamic world that we aren't playing around. This is what happens when you mess with us. If you even think about smallpox or ebola or any other contagious bio-agent Bagdad, Tehran etc..will be next.

[vannrox]

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE IN MIND...

[flamefront]

this conflict is deepening and widening beyond its initial phony stage. But what choice do we have? Inaction in the face of biological warfare is an invitation for more in a world where that is now thinkable.

Thanks again for cutting to the chase -- so much is happening while we try to live normal lives that we now have to use short, quick statements.

[weikel]

let the bodies hit the floor

[Nuke'm Glowing]

Then we take them out to Arizona and handle their trial western style and hang 'em from the highest cactus. I doubt seriously that this was an American terr group. They would have moved long before this. It's too well coordinated.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

ACTUALLY, you are quite incorrect. The nukes we have in inventory were designed to penetrate and destroy Soviet missle silos and command/control centers that were 100 ft. deep. They would be ideal for destroying mountain complexes as the fallout would pretty much be limited to those mountain ranges and valleys where the detonation occcurs.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

Backlash? What, we just wait until 50,000 civilians here or dead? Or 100,000? Oh please oh wise one, tell us the number before you press the button. Or are you another liberal lurker?

[blaster88]

What about the B61-11.

Ignore all the lefty stuff in the article.

[Chipper]

I have no argument with you when it comes to their tactics as they currently engage in them. But I highly doubt that they would go to this extreme level of violence to futher their cause.

I did my Master's Thesis on political violence of animal right, environmental, anti-industrial, militia, pro-life, and end-times groups. The environmental, and animal rights were as violent as the pro-life except they had not taken any lives.

I believe there is a 99.9 percent chance that it is a Muslim terrorist group operating in the U.S.

[Brett66]

Since we have the bunker buster nukes then that would be an effective use of them. If we were going for all out war (which we're not) we should wait until we get confirmation where Saddam is at and unleash the biggest nuke in our arsenal and drop it on his head.

[dixierat22]

I am by no means a liberal anything. But I am sensible enough to see the following:

1) We have no viable target for nukes if we are inclined to use them.
2) Even if we had a target, we could and probably should destroy it with conventional weapons.
3) The political fallout, in terms of world opinion, would far outweigh any gains we could hope for by the use of such weapons. Are we not the most powerful military on earth? Is it really necessary for us to hunt down cave dwelling cowards with nukes? That strikes me as the equivalent of hunting mice with my .308.
4) The 'bio' attacks on us have, so far, been amatuerish at best.

There is no 'magic number' before we start hunting down and killing the terrorists. The only thing I see as foolish is the suggestion that nukes are a reasonable weapon to use against them.

Are you in a rush to see Armageddon?

[semaj]

"Yes! I would proudly carry a national I.D. card the same way I proudly wear a U.S. Flag pin on my collar. A national I.D. card would simply say "I'm proud to be a citizen of this great country!"

...and so the Satanic Conspiracy to enslave us all will move forward

[Texas dog]

Why don't you pop that image over to CafePress to make t-shirts. I would buy one.

[dixierat22]

So, since the terrorists may have used WMD, we have to. If it were your finger on the trigger, who would you blast?

[ffusco]

Using special powers granted to the executive branch have all wackos tried for sedition, treason and inciting violence. Give them all one way tickets to Cuba.