The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)

Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[col kurz]

No argument with you continuing your thread, but when you continue it to it's extreme (in real life), people like me end up dead..Post on.

[the808bass]

Regardless, the Greek that is translated as indeed/true is alethos.

But this can be (and is) used of the truth of a methapor. 1 Peter uses it to say that the saying is true, a dog returns to its vomit...etc. 1 John uses it to talk of the light.

1 John 2:8
Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.

Does this mean that the light is actual light or metaphorical light? It doesn't by itself define something as metaphorical or a reality.

[malakhi]

Good for you angelo, your not the sorry slob I've been telling every body you were. :):)

LOL! You'd better ask my wife before you make any final conclusions. ;o)

[the808bass]

When he was on before, I thought he was totally obnoxious, and he had come on the threads to show how well read he was, but he seems to have gotten rid of the chip, but if it's still there it will show up soon, we're pretty good at that. Lol

Well this should hasten its arrival if it indeed exists. I thought IMRight was always well-reasoned and fair (which is more than could be always said of....um.. well... me).

[malakhi]

No argument with you continuing your thread, but when you continue it to it's extreme (in real life), people like me end up dead..Post on.

To the best of my knowledge, col kurz, no one who has participated in this forum has gone on to crash skyscrapers into buildings, or even to strap explosives to their chest and blow up a pizza parlor. Your insinuation that we would even do such a thing is insulting. The entire point of this discussion group is to discuss religion in a civilized, respectful manner.

people like me end up dead

What kind of people might that be?

[Pelayo]

What is the bread? Read on down to verse 63, cause you overlook it too. 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

He just contradicted your literal translation - the words are spiritual in meaning, not literal and of the flesh. The flesh profiteth nothing. Jesus own words, bud. The bread he spoke of is not carnal that it can be touched and injested as the mana, it is Spiritual.

No I responded to this before, many threads back remember.

It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
This is what it means....
The spirit gives life: dead flesh does not. The flesh that I give you is living Flesh.

That is why he commands us to eat him
6:55 "For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed." 6:56 "He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him." 6:57 "

[JHavard]

No, it is the Body and Blood for real. It is in the form of bread and wine. Christ said it! mt 26:26-28; Mk 14:22-25; Lk 22:19-20. God's word IS, or have you not read Genesis. And remember Is 55:11 "My word will not return... void"

As was pointed out by someone else yesterday, when Jesus said, I am the door, I am the light, I am the good shepherd, I am the true vine, was he literally those objects, or were they metaphors, and how could you distinguish between them?

[Pelayo]

am the door, I am the light, I am the good shepherd, I am the true vine, was he literally those objects, or were they metaphors, and how could you distinguish between them?

Actually He is a shepherd, as to the other stuff well where in the Bible did he point out a door on a building, and say I am that Door, all how wish to be saved should enter? Or where in the Bible did He point out a vine along the road, and say I am that Vine?

In a sense He is all these, however only the Eucharist did he fully explain.

[the808bass]

What kind of people might that be?

Ooh, ooh, ooh, call on me, call on me

[the808bass]

In a sense He is all these, however only the Eucharist did he fully explain.

So if you don't explain something, it's a metaphor. But if you fully explain it, it becomes reality? hmmm

Further, do visual aids mean something is literally true? And the absence of visual aids mean something is metaphorical?

[col kurz]

Oh, excuse me, as a "free freeper" I thought I had a right to express my view on "your" thread, but continue on with your nihilistic polinating. You nether world people should consider getting it together IMHO..

[Pelayo]

So if you don't explain something, it's a metaphor.

No, if you explain it as a metaphor it is a metaphor, if you explain it as true it is true. If you don't explain it might or mightnot be. Did God not explain the Eucharist well enough for you? or did He say it was all metaphoric?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

The question stands. Why the need to make it seem that Jesus is present in communion when he is supposed to be present in all Christians? If he is present in you, there is no need for him to be present in the communion - none. One need not take communion to experience his presence. One is supposed to experience him every moment they are alive after salvation. If you kill an actual lamb, it's spirit is gone and it is no longer in the body. So your comparison to sacrifice of the lamb is bogus. Jesus is still present in his body and in heaven.

As usual Havoc. Right on.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

You nether world people

For some strange reason, I love this.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I wish you well, honestly, but I will not be surprised to see this in your future.

Well Dfender I thought you'd be the last catholic on these threads to go into attack mode. I was wrong.

[malakhi]

Look, bud, YOU were the one who insinuated that we were all a bunch of potential mass murderers. YOU said that people like us made people like you end up dead. Now you take umbrage that I call you on your outrageous remarks?

I asked you a simple question: "what kind of people might that be"?

I'm assuming you mean atheist. I further assume that you didn't want to come right out and say it, because you know what sort of track record atheists have when it comes to murdering people in the name of ideology.

[RobbyS]

One is supposed to experience him every moment they are alive after salvation. It follows from this that "after salvation," one does not sin. Or is it that no matter what harm one does to others, that offense cannot be held against you, because it is "covered" by Jesus. Neat thing you have going.

[JHavard]

In a sense He is all these, however only the Eucharist did he fully explain.

He fully explained the others also, but he still didn't turn into a vine.:-)

[Conlan]

What, specifically, do you object to about Catholic worship?

[JHavard]

It follows from this that "after salvation," one does not sin. Or is it that no matter what harm one does to others, that offense cannot be held against you, because it is "covered" by Jesus. Neat thing you have going.

1 Jn 3: 9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You finally got it right.