With as many rounds as this subject has been through,
it really is beginning to be like a title match. ;o)
Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
With as many rounds as this subject has been through,
it really is beginning to be like a title match. ;o)
The faithful must of the Mother of God.....WHY?
To make true the words of Scripture, that all generations will call her blessed.
SD
Now what????
I don't think they placed bets, but Acts is pretty clear that after they nominated two Joseph and Matthias, they prayed and they cast their lots and the lot fell on Matthias.
I think it is very interesting to look at this election method and compare it to modern methods. We Anglicans elect our bishops. While the exact method varies from one diocese to another, it boils down to majority rules. I don't know whether that's the best way to do it. I suppose in a strict sense it's not the biblical way, but I see it as an administrative issue rather than a docrinal one.
Becky
You can't allow one or two folks with a differing opinion originally to ruin the whole thing. There may be varying opinions and fierce debate during a Council. But in the end, all should assent to the teaching, even if it was was you were opposed to originally. So the writings before a Council decides on something may show different opinions, but afterward unanimity.
SD
Were all on to you angelo, we know the Never Ending Story thread is a part of the plot for you Jews to take over the world. (can't fool tin foil hatters for long :)
BigMack
Where did he use it?
Is it used anywhere else in Scripture to mean "mother" or "bearer"
Is "tokos" ever translated in Scripture to mean "mother or bearer".
What word did Jesus use to refer to his mother: "tokos" or "meter".
OOOOOPS!
(But HOW did I miss it during preview??? DUH)
But now what?
Sure! I'm assigned to keep the RC-NC conflict raging, so that we can advance our world zionist agenda while y'all are distracted. ;o)
Where did he use it?
LOL. You know most people, when they are in a hole, stop digging. It matters not one whit whether Jesus used the word or not. It matters not how the word is used in Scripture or if it is at all.
The Bible (and your trusty Strong's) is not a dictionary of Greek nor a study of history. The sooner you realize that Sola Scriptura doesn't mean you aren't allowed to use words the Bible doesn't, the sooner you will be rehabilitated.
What we were trying to do, before your ridiculous tangent, is to talk about the notion of Theotokos and what it means. I left several messages for you, trying to clear up your misconceptions. You have not answered them, and instead come here with your ridiculous "scholarship."
It is a verifiable historical fact what the term means and whence it arose. Shall we discuss what it actually means and what your misconceptions about it are? Shall we answer whether you think Jesus is one Person or two?
Or will you next use your amazing scholarship to prove that human skin is the most flexible material known to man, cause the Bible says that Jesus tied his ass to a tree and walked into town?
SD
But couldn't us dumb Proddies at least expect to see a majority? Is that too much to ask?
And control the media. Don't forget the part about controlling the media.
"Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord" (Acts 3:19).
"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).
"Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation," (2 Cor 6:2).
BigMack
Ok. So then we both agree its a gift. The verse doesn't mean the laying on of hands imparts an office. And since we were talking about the apostolic succession of offices, the verse doesn't have anything to do with it.
We're scribbling down here as fast as we can. :-)
I would think that a majority would be expected. However remember that not everything has been preserved. And that we also consider the opinions of all those throughout time, not just certain people at certain times.
SD
Becky
To my knowledge Jesus never used the word "tokos." Jesus most likely spoke Aramaic and the words which are used in the Gospels are merely Greek translations of the Hebraic words he spoke. Trust me on this one, admit that you didn't have full knowledge of what you were talking about and back out gracefully. You'll gain more respect and a better audience for relevant points you wish to make in the future. (I assume you did follow the link and yet chose to ignore it. Why you did so I have no idea.)
And control the media. Don't forget the part about controlling the media.
Its the BANKS that have me pissed the most. :)
BigMack
I'm sorry then. I don't see the implications of the difference that you're drawing. Do you believe that Paul imparted some kind of grace to Timothy but it wasn't in accordance with his becoming a bishop?
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