The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 161

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[malakhi]

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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 160

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

As far as people like vmatt, you answer with scripture. If scripture doesn't convince them, nothing you say will. You think you can answer better then God. Listen too me:) Let me repeat too myself 2 Tim. 2:23.

Becky

[Pelayo]

So Christ was born with original sin?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

BTW, what do you think of 2 Tim. 2:23

Becky

[al_c]

That's baseball, right? (Or as close as they get to baseball in the American League.) Didn't that use to be America's pasttime?

Yeah ... but that was before FreeRepublic.

[malakhi]

I believe there are some things that God never intended HIS PEOPLE to even WANT to question.

Hi Becky. Where, precisely, do you find the scriptural support for this belief of yours?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

2 Tim.2:23

Becky

[SoothingDave]

Have nothing to do with stupid, senseless controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.

I guess if you consider the entire thing "stupid and senseless" it will do.

On the other hand, if you feel that such questions have a purpose, then this Scripture doesn't apply.

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Where did everyone go?

Becky

[RobbyS]

Think about this. This nice and forgiving God went and created Adam & Eve; he said don't eat from this tree, and they did! He got upset. For thousands of years, he is upset. It has been so many generations since Adam & Eve, and he still can not let go of these guys eating an apple! He is a forgiving God? but he still can not forget that apple insident. So he thinks, I will come down to earth and allow myself to be killed, and that will make me forget that apple insident!!!!!!

This sounds like a slipshod translation of Caesar I once turned in after spending a whole twenty minutes on it. I got a "D" (because my teacher was generous!)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

...if you feel that such questions have a purpose, then this Scripture doesn't apply

Shouldn't it be "How does God feel about these questions.?" At some point, and IMO we have reached that point in our discussions, you should say to someone that this is where your faith should kick in. If they don't accept that it is their problem. You have taught them as Jesus instructed you to do, but it is not up to us to MAKE them believe it. That's God's work. You give out the word, some plant, some water, some harvest.

Becky

[malakhi]

In the last thread there was a discussion about Is Jesus God. Well the bible says Jesus is God. That should have been the end of it.

Let me back up for a second and ask a really basic question. How do you know that the Christian scriptures are inspired by God?

[malakhi]

Hi mitch. Thanks for speaking up. Feel free to chime in anytime!

[vmatt]

Thanks for the bump Steven, I certainly want to finish anything I may have started. Lest I ever be questioned about my beliefs I want to assure all that I always base my belief on scripture unless I state otherwise.

My belief that there are two "Gods" is based in part on the following verses and my resolution of the error of both trinity and oneness doctrine, as well as the question of what exactly the word "God" means in scripture, too lengthy for my present purpose.

The Father, being infinite, created his only begotten son Jesus Christ, being finite, as in having a beginning. In many cases in the old testament Jesus Christ is actually doing the work as a "God" and is referred to in scripture as God, yet is the Christ to come into the world He (Christ) created.

Take care all and pray that the Father smiles on those who find His words important enough to seek the truth therein.

Psalm 110

1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Philippians 2

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

[malakhi]

Yeah ... but that was before FreeRepublic.

GREAT answer! :o)

[JHavard]

Where did everyone go?

Becky

I'm just setting hear enjoying that rolling sound. Lol

[SoothingDave]

The Father, being infinite, created his only begotten son Jesus Christ, being finite, as in having a beginning.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Here is the verse that you read as if it said "the Word was a god," and not "the Word was God." The meaning is different, and no amount of wishing there were an indefinite article there will make it so.

Also I do not see how the Word being with God "in the beginning," that is from eternity, makes the Word have its own "beginning" as you say. What you believe is contradicted by the plain (to me) reading of the Scripture you yourself quote in your defense.

SD

[OLD REGGIE]

Augustine telling us to listen to Scripture above that of a Catholic bishop is for the case when the bishops are in error. Yes, it is possible, only the aggregate of all of the Bishops, led by the Pope is guaranteed to teach infalibly.
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Oh! Another instance where Scripture is not equal to the Magesterium.

Matt 18:

18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

19 Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

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Allthe Bishops and the Pope. Really?

Are you suggesting the Pope, by himself can't make an "infallible" pronouncement?. He requires the aggregate of all the Bishops??????

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

The Gospels are Scripture, Heb. 2:3

The writings of the Apostles are Scripture, 1 Cor. 2:7-13, 1 Pet. 1:12, 2 Pet. 3:1-2, 15-16,

Rev. is Scripture, Rev. 1:2

Then of course we have 2 Tim. 3:16, 2 Pet.1:21.

[OLD REGGIE]

Is it just my imagination, or is there a sneer on your face when you use your favorite term "neo-Christian"?

Just your imagination. I use the term to address all non-Catholic or Orthodox Christians. It became necessary to develop a term because some non-denominational Christians took issue with being lumped together with Protestants.

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O.K. Why don't we just call them Holy Catholic? After all, Protestants trace their beginning to to the establishment of the Christian Church. The RCC, as opposed to the catholic, Church wasn't established for more than 300 years. Whicb is "neo".

By what authority do you "develop" the definition of any group of Christians?

It still sounds like "sneer" to me.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

What?

Becky