The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 161

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[malakhi]

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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 160

[SoothingDave]

If you believe that MAN wrote and compiled and canonized the bible then no it isn't God's word. If you believe that God controled it, then BELEIVERS should not have to ask these questions.

What if I believe that God worked through men to accomplish what he did. Much like all of salvation history. Should I not be curious about how God has worked in the past?

Do you trust what Gods says, as you want your daughter to trust what you say. God says he will send the Holy Spirit to teach us all things, and no man need teach us. 1 John 2:27.

Then what was that business about sending the apostles out to teach all the nations? Unnecessary?

SD

[conservonator]

Then what was that business about sending the apostles out to teach all the nations? Unnecessary?

Someone had to drop off the Books. Maybe FedEx can now replace missionaries.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

This anti-reason approach of yours fits well with the caricature the skeptics like to paint of believers.

I never claimed an anti-reason approach. I claimes that when I searched the scriptures for myself, that it was there that I found the reason to believe whole heartedly. When I said I believed when I was taking man's word for it I was just giving lip=servise to it.

IMO skeptics would look at you believers and be more skeptical after reading some tof the questions that you want answered. Even if you claim you "already know the answer," I think you whould almost have to be an un=believer to think up such questions. I have truly been shocked by some of the questions asked, and as I said it showed me a whole new thought process I never thought of before, and I believe someone weak in faith might have trouble with them. That is why I feel beleivers have no business opening up those cans of worms!!!

Becky

[SoothingDave]

Becky, give me an example of a question you think shouldn't be asked.

SD

[philosofy123]

Think about this. This nice and forgiving God went and created Adam & Eve; he said don't eat from this tree, and they did! He got upset. For thousands of years, he is upset. It has been so many generations since Adam & Eve, and he still can not let go of these guys eating an apple! He is a forgiving God? but he still can not forget that apple insident. So he thinks, I will come down to earth and allow myself to be killed, and that will make me forget that apple insident!!!!!!!

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Look at this scripture: 2 Ti. 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strife.

Wouldn't a foolish question be something you already know the answer too. Wouldn't answering a foolish question give it credit.

BELIEVERS SHOULD NOT BE ASKING OR ANSWERING THE TYPE OF QUESTIONS THIS THREAD HAS DEGENERATED DOWN TO.

Becky

[conservonator]

That is why I feel beleivers have no business opening up those cans of worms!!!

A believer should fear no question, challenge, or any other "can or worms.

[SoothingDave]

So he thinks, I will come down to earth and allow myself to be killed, and that will make me forget that apple insident!!!!!!!

So then, you are positing the theory that Original Sin leads to bad spelling?

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

In the last thread there was a discussion about Is Jesus God. Well the bible says Jesus is God. That should have been the end of it. But then you said some remark that caused me to jump in the discussion, about thinking people as yourself, unlike Havoc, ..., I truly can't remember the whole thing, but you were beating a dead horse. God answered the question very simply. Jesus is God. Jesus is Man. Why does God have to go any farther. Where is faith if you need more then God's Word.

The subject of the canonization of the bible has been nit-picked to death. At some point you have to have faith if you are a believer, that God controls his word, not man becasue He said he did.

Becky

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Wouldn't a foolish question be something you already know the answer too. Wouldn't answering a foolish question give it credit.

Quit trying to get rid of Soothing Dave and Allend. If they can't engage in the above aforementioned practice there would be nothing left but a magic sternum. :-)

[SoothingDave]

Wouldn't a foolish question be something you already know the answer too. Wouldn't answering a foolish question give it credit.

Just because I know the answer to something doesn't mean that I know the answer someone else will give. It's called sharing our thoughts.

And there are also rhetorical questions, and questions used to move the subjects along, and to foster participation. Yes, it can be complicated.

BELIEVERS SHOULD NOT BE ASKING OR ANSWERING THE TYPE OF QUESTIONS THIS THREAD HAS DEGENERATED DOWN TO.

What type of questions are you talking about? Give me an example. Is this one of them?

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

So then, you are positing the theory that Original Sin leads to bad spelling?

But I'm glad you're still here cuz that was funny.

[mitch5501]

"So he thinks, I will come down to earth and allow myself to be killed, and that will make me forget that apple insident!!!!!!!"

Actually He is trying to get US to forget it.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I'm sorry Steven. I was thinking the same thing. Could this end this thing? But no one listens that much to what I say, not to worry. (boy that sounds like a pity wagon doesn't it:) It would be a long winter with out this diversion wouldn't It. Any way, it's just some of these questions are really getting out there, and I think it is becasue we have been going over and over and over the same things.

Becky

[SoothingDave]

In the last thread there was a discussion about Is Jesus God. Well the bible says Jesus is God. That should have been the end of it.

The Bible tells me that Jesus is God. The same to you and your husband. But not all believe that. Havoc was hesitant to answer my question directly and JHavard expressed that he had no strong convictions one way or another.

When will you see that what you read as "The Bible" is not what everyone else reads?

When will you see that talking about what the Bible says to us is the only thing we can hope to do?

But then you said some remark that caused me to jump in the discussion, about thinking people as yourself, unlike Havoc, ..., I truly can't remember the whole thing, but you were beating a dead horse.

I said that I don't include Havoc in the class of people who think like me. And I don't. And I don't thikn he includes me in the class of people who think like him. We think differently and whenwe read the Bible we come up with different ideas.

I wasn't saying he didn't think, and that only I think. I was questioning why he didn't answer in a simple "yes" or "no."

God answered the question very simply. Jesus is God. Jesus is Man. Why does God have to go any farther. Where is faith if you need more then God's Word.

This is your reading. Don't foget vmatt, who very clearly saw the Bible saying Jesus was a second God. Now shoudl I have questioned him? What he thought "God's Word" was saying?

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Bump

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Dave, I think you know what I am getting at. I can't come up with the exact questions without going back through all the threads. But some of the discussions on some topics have degenerated down to nit-picking. To questioning on a level that is beyond what should be questioned, exactly like if your daughter questioned you to the point that DNA testing was the only thing that would convince her of her true parentage. That is what I am talking about.

Becky